One Size Fits One: How AI Can Help You Rediscover Your Strengths and Rethink the Future of Work

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[00:01:00] New episodes come out weekly. Now it's your turn to Evolve. Welcome. Hey, everybody. I'm Anna Morgan, and this is the Evolve Talent and HR Show. We are upstairs, not in the podcast studio, not out at a conference. And I am with one of my favorite women in business. And I can't wait to share more of her story. And as I was reflecting on this conversation with you,

[00:01:28] I can't help but always go back to that saying that I bring up in every conversation practically is about Steve Jobs, right? You never know how those dots will connect. And you have to trust in, he says, intuition, destiny, or karma, that those dots will connect in alignment as they're supposed to, when they're supposed to, essentially.

[00:01:51] And, you know, if you've been in recruiting or people leadership for more than five years, you know, you meet a lot of people through your work, through your community, through your servant leadership, all the different ways. And it is such a serendipitous, a beautiful, you know, aha, the world is looking out for you when the right person steps in your life at the right time.

[00:02:19] So with that, JCK, for those that don't know you, why don't you give us the brief intro and then we'll get into, you know, where you've been, what you're all about, and what you're building now. My name is Jenny Cody Kangas. Hopefully that was slow enough for you all, because I have a tendency to talk fast, especially when I'm talking about something that I'm really passionate about, which will be later in this conversation.

[00:02:47] But I'm a former talent acquisition, recruiter, turned talent acquisition leader, turned head of HR, turned future work applied AI specialist. And so my career post-2020 has really been on the HR technology and system strategy side. But specifically over the last several years, I've gotten really into how do we leverage AI?

[00:03:13] The right way is to help us accomplish the outcomes that we're trying to drive. And so... Amazing. Yeah. And I have found, you know, through my AI journey that when we were first introduced, which was for me, must have been, it was post-COVID, 22 maybe?

[00:03:41] We first met on Clubhouse. You and I. Yeah. Oh, I haven't gotten there. And I'm so glad that you answered that question. Going back to the dots, thank you for giving me that clarity because I'm like, I know that oftentimes I'm introduced by a super connector like our dear friend, Brian Fink, or many of the other super connectors, Julia Levy. Who else? John Zilla. John Zilla. There's all sorts of them. Yes.

[00:04:11] Just many, many that I've shared the Ask a Recruiter stage. But before that was COVID, layoffs, everyone was on Clubhouse, right? That was the heyday. And that's where people got connection and community. And it was fun. You could be on the go, talking with your friends in smaller rooms, in bigger rooms. And it just exploded.

[00:04:35] And we did nine months of job search angels with several of my other job search coaches that were, you know, perfecting our skills at the time. And I don't recall that. But I recall our most recent connection. I'm pretty confident the first time we ever met was in, I want to say it was like Andrew Godomsky's Clubhouse or something. Or like the LinkedIn. Or something.

[00:05:03] Like Joel Lalgy was there as well. Okay. But for context, an interesting part of my story, I fell and hit my head during COVID. This is critical, you all. And I knew you, I didn't know you pre-COVID. I wouldn't remember if we did. I probably wouldn't either. And I don't have a story like yours. Yeah. So I fell and hit my head during COVID. And I lost all of my memory.

[00:05:32] So who I was, how the world worked, how we saw problems in HR technology and talent acquisition, all of it was lost. And I was thrust into a world that wasn't very accessible to me. So I couldn't be on a screen. And if any of y'all were around during COVID, which most of you were. We lived in boxes. We lived in boxes on a screen, right? But everything was accessible via your phone. Like we had gone virtual relatively overnight.

[00:06:00] And unfortunately for me, virtual wasn't accessible. So I could only be on screens for 15 to 20 minutes. Otherwise, I would pass out or have a seizure. Wow. And so think about this, right? Like I was rebuilding my house because traditional cognitive therapy wasn't available. And eventually came a time where I was ready to have conversations with other people. But it was COVID. And so I didn't have a way to be able to do that. Right.

[00:06:29] And one of my good girlfriends was like, hey. You get the special invite. Yeah. I got invited to Clubhouse. And she's like, but most importantly for you, I think this will be accessible for you. Right? Like so she invited me and I was able to have conversations. That was literally, Clubhouse was the first time I had conversations with other people. Wow. To be able to like put it into a frame of reference. Did you like record any invite channels? No, because I never would have. Like maybe somebody in the space.

[00:06:59] But like I would start getting into these rooms and I would talk. And people were like, oh shit, she's got interesting things to say. Which led to me being on stages and led to me being much more like involved in like the HR tech. Especially like the influencer space. Right. Because I had never been in that before. But anyways, it all kind of originated at Clubhouse. Right. And I didn't have any of the social conditioning that said you couldn't raise your hand. And so I would go into these rooms.

[00:07:28] Here comes JCK again. I would come into these rooms. And I would have. And be like move to the audience. Yep. I, well, no. I'm just kidding. I ended up on stage multiple times asking questions. They were pulling you up. And I was systematic about the questions that I asked. But the answers that I got ended up being the curriculum for how I rebuilt my life. Okay. So I was in a lot of user experience design rooms. Had nothing to do with business. I had lost my memories of my kids. Wow.

[00:07:57] And that was really, really hard as a mom to not remember my three children who are now 18, 15, and 9. Wow. And it dawned on me one day that just because my memories of them were gone, their memories of them were inside of them. Or of me were inside of them. Right. And if I could ask the right questions, I could get those memories to come out. Okay. Well, the answer to that in business is user experience research. Okay.

[00:08:21] And at that same time of us being really involved on Clubhouse, something else was happening. The world had to go digital overnight. Mm-hmm. And people genuinely didn't know how to do that. And so some of the best builders for UX and UI took the Clubhouse in order to teach the how. Ah. And so.

[00:08:43] Almost as like either paid or service work or it was just everybody's like, I don't know how to X. Yes. Yes. And people listened. Mm-hmm. Right? And I, it was a huge God thing because it ended up being exactly what I needed in order to get my kids' memories back. Okay. Right? But also it gave me an incredible master class on human-centered design and design thinking.

[00:09:08] And what I didn't have that everybody else in those rooms had, I lacked a design bias for how we had done things before. And so I. They cannot make that in the form of a robot or a UX, UI, any of that. That actually like, I just want to sit with that for a moment because wow. Yeah. Well, and then I went back into the recruiting world and I was fixing broken HR technology.

[00:09:38] Mm-hmm. And ended up actually co-developing technology that had never been done before and doing things in ways that had never been done before. And part of the reason that many people early on. Because you just didn't have that lived experience that created the bias. I didn't know how it was done before. Yeah. So I just looked at the problem and it was like, okay, what's the problem? Understand it with a 360 degree understanding and then reverse engineer to solve for it. And so my builds looked dramatically different.

[00:10:07] The questions I was asking were dramatically different. And ended up leading to technology that had never been done before. But anyways. Did you go to college and study kind of this path originally? Nope. Or this was all new post brain injury? This is all post brain injury. Okay. So what was your degree for you? Communication studies and business management double major. Oh, so always a good, strong communicator. Very curious. At all.

[00:10:36] So I was like, that's like a moot point. But yeah. But there are aspects of how losing my memory really positioned me well for AI. So we were just talking about how like the systems that I built. Right. Didn't look like anything that had been done before because I didn't have a design bias for how they had been built. Right. Right. And you're just looking at that three compartments, 360 and problem solve. Yep.

[00:11:06] And what's needed of us in AI era is the same exact behavior. Yes. Which is understand what current state looks like. Understand what the desired state looks like. Reverse engineer to solve it in the most efficient way. Not being bound by how it's been done before. Right. Amen. And for those of us that, you know, are on the blaze your own trail, a lot of times like I'm so grateful for AI, especially the things that you've taught me.

[00:11:35] But I think when you're building in general, it's not a bad idea to just turn down the noise. Right. And I had to coach many people, you know, as a job search expert and then serving people in our space as well. And, you know, just by doing you can be absolutely groundbreaking to others.

[00:11:57] And, you know, on the days where I'm like, or I was reflecting back on my second conference and I was like, well, I chose to have a virtual option because everyone else was doing it. When in reality should have just trusted, you know, my vision and stood my stance that I have a strong opinion that evolve and this community is best consumed in person.

[00:12:23] And that was a, you know, big, humble lesson. Right. Right. And speaking of humble lessons, you know, I must have heard you on a stage at Clubhouse. And then I think our paths just crossed. We knew like lots of mutual people and I would see her at conferences sometimes.

[00:12:46] And, you know, the way I interpret and try to read people, you know, people either are like, yay, Anna Morgan, or like, oh, she kind of is a lot. You know, there were a couple of times where I'm like, Anna Kulit with JCK. You don't. I freaking loved it because I always loved Anna. So she was hell yes energy. I'm a big believer of like, if it's not a hell yes, it's a hell no. And Anna was always hell yes energy.

[00:13:11] Well, and, you know, this space, once you get some notoriety and you build your personal brand and you have more inbound opportunities and there's that visibility, you know, it can be overwhelming. And I also think that oftentimes we never leave high school.

[00:13:30] It follows us from homeroom to the boardroom and the creator, influencer, TA, recruiter, people, leadership space can feel, you know, a little isolating, like you're sitting at the cafeteria table by yourself. Right. I don't remember high school at all, but I can totally see how that would be a thing because it definitely, there are aspects of it. But, you know, like the other piece is like, you met me. Yeah.

[00:13:57] When I was effectively like a two-year-old, right? In a 30 some odd year old body. Exactly. With three children. With three children. But the thing that I was always really, really. I would be freaking out. I'd be like, I'm 51, but I'm really four. I'm a freaking four-year-old. No, now I'm a six-year-old. But you, like, it's so funny that you said that. But you just do math like on the dog years. I, well, but here's the deal.

[00:14:27] You met me before I had really honed my impersonal, like interpersonal skill. Actually, that makes sense because I was kind of like, the fuck am I? Is there something on my face? Like what I know of you now and what I experienced maybe two years ago in Nashville, very, very different. And I was like, oh, she hates me. Like I'm not in the cool JCK club. It was totally a skill gap.

[00:14:53] You know, if anyone else in recruiting has gone to events, feels like that, you're not alone. But also here's a reminder that sometimes it's not about you. It's a skill gap. So like I have worked really hard. And we never know what people have gone through. Right? And like you didn't know like the extent of the fact that like, yeah, I lost all of my memory. I had to optimize for being on screen. Right. Which was what I did.

[00:15:20] You rehabbed and basically rebuilt her entire home. And we're not just talking hanging pictures. We're talking like electrical plumbing, way past her communications degree capabilities. But I just, if there are other people who are watching this that think like I am an absolute like stone cold whatever,

[00:15:46] because I probably met you when my interpersonal skills were not as refined. Give me that shot. Yeah. It's very nice person. Grace upon grace. Grace upon grace. Post COVID. Like, I think that's one of the gifts that one, employers were forced to look at their population as humans. Because they could not ignore whether they were the top dog or the earliest, most recent hired person,

[00:16:13] that what was happening in the world and within the world of work in that period of time was so surreal. And everyone just had to drop the armor and be the best version of themselves in that moment. Yeah. And that is the gift and the gratitude I find from having moved through that. I'm sure there's so many other things. And I know we lost so many people and it was devastating. Almost lost me.

[00:16:42] That's what happened. In the hospital. Yeah. I was in the hospital and kidney failure and fell and hit my head. You know, like it's nuts. But it's also really funny that it sounds like you met me the most at Wreckfest two years ago. Yes. Wreckfest two years ago was also the site. I probably shouldn't be saying this on podcast. We have a nice editing team. I love this because you might not want this in there or you will. I don't know. But this is an event in Nashville.

[00:17:11] It's an outdoor conference. There's lots of fringe events. So happy hours, dinners, get togethers. And it's also the site of where I had my first hangover of mention that I ever remembered in my post-COVID reset. Yes. I didn't know until that night that you can't mix alcohol. Oh, bless you. Because I would like. And you've like been out with me before. Like I always let somebody else order for me. Yeah.

[00:17:40] And that comes back to like post-head injury. I didn't know what the words in the menu meant. And so it's something that I've just like maintained doing. Well, you could have consulted a non-drinker alcoholic that has had everything. Would have been a really smart thing. But again, if you have no idea. So moral of the story, I woke up the next day and I thought I was dying, Anna. I Googled my symptoms, literally thinking I had to go to the hospital or had COVID again.

[00:18:05] And it was like, Google's like, you likely have a hangover when dot, dot, dot. I was like, this is a hangover? What? How do people, it was my first hangover I'd ever had. You hadn't seen like friends over-serve themselves or family? Because people that I'm close to don't do that. So I know. And like if they do, it's at their own home. Special little unicorn. I'm just a nerd. And so now I know.

[00:18:34] And then it was hilarious learning from everybody all the different rules and hacks that you have for how to. Like so. Yeah. Like for example. Hi, Miss Lily. For example. Girl, you want to join the call? Come here. I didn't know that a lot of people will take, like even men will have Midol on them. Oh, hilarious. For hangovers. Come on. Because it's got caffeine in it. Yes. And like, and it genuinely works. You need a V8.

[00:19:04] There's all sorts of things that I learned. But it's funny that that's when I met you because it's also where. Well, I did. I had one of those moments where I was like, I don't, you know, think that was the best presentation of myself. And, you know, I've started sharing this a little bit more on social media. And it could be something that I'm, you know, experiencing or seeing more in myself, which is my social anxiety, which I'm an extreme extrovert.

[00:19:33] I love being out in community. I love traveling. But I don't talk about it enough that when I'm in new spaces, especially with women, because over my career, you know, I had mentors, bosses say, oh, you're the kind of woman that works better on an all-male team. What is that saying? What is that saying? What are you trying to say to me right now? That's ridiculous. I don't like that. Right.

[00:19:59] Um, and had been on teams, uh, where, you know, I was with primarily all women and did not fit, you know, and that's where the high school kind of vibe feels comes up. So, you know, I walked away from that being like, you know, that was a little odd, but I'm just going to take it for what it is. And in those situations, I just talk and talk and talk and talk.

[00:20:26] And that's where I left the conversation being like, you dumb ass, listen more than you talk. You know, that from a sales perspective and building relationships is all about sales. And, you know, at that point, I never knew if our paths would cross again. And now here I am in my house two years later in her house two years later. And we're besties. Yes. So you never know how your first instance is going to lead to otherwise.

[00:20:55] And so we were connected on LinkedIn, became connected on Facebook and Instagram, you know, all of the socials we tend to follow each other around and also noted more and more of the same kind of ride or die, uh, good people that we were both surrounding ourselves with. And trust is transitive, especially in our space. So it's like, okay, Brian trusts Anna. I trust Anna. Right. Even though I didn't know Anna that well.

[00:21:23] Like, so like, well, and that goes back to the dot connecting piece, right? For sure. Um, and so we saw each other in Nashville. I mean, I don't even think we chatted much on, on socials until I decided to have a public temper tantrum about building the evolve conference on demand library podcast and evolve tables. And I knew there was risk and being like, Oh, you want to know what fucking entrepreneurship is about?

[00:21:53] Well, let me tell you, it sucks. And today's the day that I want to light it all on fire, change my name and move to Portugal. And she'd sent me one message on Facebook prior to my rant that said, I love that chandelier. Where did you get it? Yep. So my new home that I bought in July, uh, celebrating a new season with my family excited about being able to host more, but that was kind of the warming up. Oh, thank you.

[00:22:23] Yes. Here's the chandelier. And then I actually had to go to the decorator and be like, where from PDI did we get this gorgeous piece? Um, so shared that. Then I had my public temper tantrum, um, driving rage, probably some tears, like profanity.

[00:22:39] And it was because when I reflect back to Lee Cage's session at evolve, he talked about, you know, having the right flight crew on your team and evolve 25 was Anna Morgan's on this commercial luxury plane, ready to fill it with 200 people. And I have no crew and I have a massive mechanical failure, right? Proverbally.

[00:23:08] And I don't have the tech. I don't have the right people in the seats. I don't have the mechanic, the co-pilot, the swordist, the, all the things. Right. And so I'm at year two, you know, I'm supposed to be, I've got this momentum. I've been building, investing, and I just keep hitting walls. And, you know, it was like the Taylor Swift kind of, it's me, I'm the problem kind of feeling.

[00:23:35] But through my recovery journey, I know that I need to do a better job picking up the phone and asking for help. Um, and I've learned a lot about myself in entrepreneurship because it pushes edges in ways that it's almost hard to articulate. If, to someone who's only worked in more traditional corporate entities. Right.

[00:24:00] Um, and so I was just dealing with shame and friction and, uh, I was letting down my family and, you know, the financial risk. And I just need the tech to work and need to go faster, faster, faster. And all of a sudden I get a message from JCK. She's like, what's your tech problem, honey? It was like the sweetest thing. I was like, well, how much time do you have? And I can tell you all the ways.

[00:24:29] And she was so kind and gentle. And, you know, I was just in such collusion because when you're building from scratch and you're building fast and you're doing bold shit, like I've done in this space where sometimes I'm like, have I, did I really launch my first conference in 69 days? Yeah. Wow. Really freaking impressive.

[00:24:51] There's a reason people just don't bust out in HR and TA with new conferences because they're hard and expensive and complex and people's needs are changing. And those who have done it before are also sometimes very scary to work with. Um, and, uh, like don't share. Duh, duh. They don't share. Yes, yes. Can we all just share?

[00:25:20] Like my whole utopian, like dream would be the big players. And, you know, I'm in, I'm headed into year three, maybe year four might skip a year, but if we could all get together around a table, maybe even share a meal and pull back the curtain. I feel like Anna, that might be a table that you could run. Uh, oh my gosh, let's do it. Okay.

[00:25:45] Anyway, as JCK has been here, I just came off eight nights on the road. I went to Toronto for a business mastermind called do bullshit by Rob Gilbert. He actually will be my next guest on the podcast. Um, and then I went to HR tech and I'd never been to HR tech.

[00:26:05] This was also my first time being a media person, AKA podcaster slash influencer, which was definitely celebrating, but holy cow. You know, I wait to do everything to the last minute. I leveraged some tools that you had taught me, um, to be ready, but in travel experience should hit the fan. And the lesson for me was like, okay, JCK has been with me.

[00:26:34] Since June now, June, July, August, September crazy. I think August, August, more maybe July. I don't know. But like, yeah, it seems like it's been a year, honestly, like, cause we've done so much incredible shit together so fast. Sorry. I probably shouldn't swear, but no, it's okay. We've, we've gone, we've got stuff done. So it started with, let me fix your tech. And she was just outstanding to let me just vent where I've been, what's not working.

[00:27:04] And then I'm sure I just overshared where else I need help. And she was like, well, let me do this. And within a couple of days I saw just the friction dissolve. I noticed my regulation and like my nervous system being like, yes. And like, holy cow, this brain. Now I am a woman who was told I wasn't smart. You know, my test scores were not kind. I did fifth grade twice.

[00:27:33] I failed out of UGA, went back and finished my degree. Like I've been trying to prove to the world, you know, in getting that business management degree from a college that, you know, I'm worthy. Right.

[00:27:48] And as I've observed her through this process, along with embracing AI, which the fascinating story is that she had spent some time with some fractional team members that expressed great interest in leveraging AI to solve more business problems faster. To reduce friction and allow us to focus on, you know, your primary business objectives. Yep.

[00:28:18] And I was trying to let go of the business and not be in it as much. Uh, but once you walked me through how to build my first agent, um, the bandaid was off. Anna Morgan is out in the front and I leapfrogged kind of my team on my ramp up knowledge.

[00:28:43] And I honestly, I think I felt like a lot of Gen X people in this space that have, you know, been filling roles from a talent leadership, full cycle recorder, recruiter, sourcer role. As Gen X, you know, we become tech evaluators. That was not our role when we first came into recruiting.

[00:29:04] So we've had to have that, you know, we upskill and manage everyone else within the organization that needs training on equitable interviews, all the things. Um, and then we are tasked with, where was that going with that? It was the AI and the fear about AI. Fear. Oh, just staying relevant, right? Like I thought I was embracing it, but I honestly felt like I was behind.

[00:29:33] A lot of people did. And I think a part of the reason for that, um, one of our mutual friends, um, Ellen Bailey, uh, she's a smart recruiter. She's brilliant. I'm Gen X. So I was born in 75 and you don't have to say your age, but are you a millennial? I'm an older millennial. They call them geriatric millennial. Oh, cool. I'm a geriatric millennial. I love that for me, but I'm also a six-year-old. So that makes me alpha. So I get to be both and no judgment.

[00:30:03] I just want to dress up as you for Halloween. Like it's a whole vibe and story. Anyway, I can build an agent for that. Oh my gosh. It is amazing.

[00:30:16] Um, it's like the work that you're doing and the way that you're positioning yourself and how you got from a near death experience to finding your way back to yourself, to your family, to what you described. Like you had to find the way of what good looks like. Right. Um, I didn't rediscover who the hell I was and what my version of good was. Right.

[00:30:43] Like when you lose, when you catastrophically lose your memory, you are not given a blueprint of, Oh, by the way, this is who you are, Jenny. Here's your last name. Here's your family. You know, document the process. I like, you know, in case something happens. I mean, you know, writing my mom's one line a day is hard enough, but you know, keeping up with your, your whole life. I think I've always been worried like Alzheimer's and losing my memory is going to be part of my story down the line.

[00:31:13] And so I think that's why I've enjoyed taking pictures, you know, as long as I have and why people are like, how do you have 90,000 photos? But reminder for, especially the moms that are out there. One thing that became very, very clear for me after my head injury and catastrophically losing my memory. Right. Um, what I was never in front of the camera. I was always behind it.

[00:31:38] And so it's wherever, like it, a lot of people have been with me and tell them to take the damn picture. I, I will see, especially moms and families now. And I will always offer to take their picture. I'm really good at it. And then people are like, Oh no, no. I'm like, let me tell you, I lost my memory and I didn't have any way of knowing who I was because the, the videos, the pictures, like they were all of my kids. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:32:07] And I was, I think I'm, I'm sure I'm comfortable with where my body was or whatever, but it doesn't matter. Like, God forbid, I'm not saying that I would ever wish this on anybody, but like make sure that you collect those dots. So if you're sure you have an ability to connect those dots, I think it's an important piece.

[00:32:50] Well, yeah. And what comes up. Uh, and that's like a similar exercise you might do at the mastermind where I was sharing with you and, um, a mutual friend yesterday that we just had to ask the question over and over. Like if fear weren't in the equation, like what would you do? You answer it. And the person says, thank you. And then they ask the question again.

[00:33:14] And it just keeps like peeling back the layer, which is like visually what I'm seeing was the evolution of you coming home to yourself and understanding like what good looks like. Well, and if we, if we leapfrog that forward, right. So, so many people that are out there are struggling with understanding where and how to leverage AI. So that's where Anna and I first connected. Right. And on a business standpoint, I said, don't go buy more tech. I'll build it for you.

[00:33:44] Right. This is also after I've invested in a website redesign and a custom CRM that had 18,000 too many steps.

[00:33:54] Now, now that I'm looking at it with more of the JCK brain, uh, I was like, wow, I thought I was so slick or that this made so much sense, but being able to leverage AI to reduce friction and simplify things has been so helpful and teaching me. I mean, my own landing page, I updated a funnel.

[00:34:18] I created a beautiful QR code landing page for, uh, a conference in Nashville. Like, and it's just so fun to go back and forth. And I know as a neurodiverse ADHD diagnosed in 1989 people, or no, was it 89? Cause I was seven, 75, six. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I was very little.

[00:34:47] Um, that's also why I hate taking tests and inkblot. But all of that to say what Anna is talking about is what it feels like on the flip side of identifying the right use cases to essentially apply AI to so that you can accomplish what you need to. Right. It's a one size fits one way. And so that's what AI has the promise to do.

[00:35:13] So the agents that work for me are going to be different than the agents that work for Anna. I'm not quite sure who my agents are, but you know, we're, we're getting there. We're getting there. I was literally with the computers right there. I was literally just working with it. I literally handed her my laptop, which had they ever like been to an event where they're like, hand your phone to someone else. And that anxiety that comes up and it's like, I know there's nothing weird on there.

[00:35:39] But as, uh, as Julia, my friends are like, she just goes center. And like, then I just, I'm good. Um, but like, that's the importance of understanding, like to, to thread the story back. Right. I didn't know what my version of good looked like. I didn't know who I was. I didn't know what was important to me. I didn't know anything. I went through the, the work to be able to figure that out, to reestablish who I was.

[00:36:07] And I collected all those dots. So future me would be able to connect those dots. Then AI came out and I instantly saw like, Oh, this is trying to guess what my version of good looks like. I've already done that work. It's over here. I'm going to plop it in here. And what I was doing was grounding the AI in the one size fits one version of me. So I have ADHD, I have cognitive overload issues because I have a traumatic brain injury. Right. But I was able to give it the different constraints that I uniquely had.

[00:36:36] And once it has that constraints are a superpower for AI. Constraints. I want to slow down just a little bit for the slower processors like myself. So constraints are, what did you say? Like guardrails or building blocks. Constraints are a superpower. Superpower for AI.

[00:36:54] And so what that means to the normies that are just, maybe you're, you know, just embracing AI is, or the way I'm going to interpret it is just start and talk to your AI as we are having a conversation. And the things I picked up from you is just being very detailed. And through the experience, by just starting, you'll start to be able to calibrate the questions.

[00:37:24] And then, you know, you get someone like this that teaches you, okay, well, in service of your future successful self, you want to add these things in this project or context. And I was like, bah, bah, bah, you know, all this, it reminded me, this is going to sound really woo-woo and kind of weird, but stick with me. For the moms out there that have given birth, you're home with your baby, and all of a sudden your milk comes in it.

[00:37:52] And the Oxycontin, you know, little sparkles start going because you're like, I love this thing so much. I might have had like a similar Oxycontin moment with AI because the things it was allowing me to do, I didn't have to ask a question. I didn't have to ask for permission. I felt empowered. It worked with my hyper-focused brain. And I felt a sense of accomplishment, you know.

[00:38:19] And someone who has a very learning background and story that she's untangled of her intelligence, her smarts, her capabilities, it was like a hell yes energy. And I found so much gratitude and immediate just ability to breathe in my business. And I was like, yes, I want JCK more.

[00:38:44] And it worked out that she was in transition building what you're building now, which I want to talk about, and open to opportunities, you know, for a great, ideally a tech product, right, would be your first choice? Oh, I don't even know what Future Me wants to do. Wow. I might have to re-interview yourself. I'm loving the forward deployed engineering work, which is essentially what I'm doing for Anna.

[00:39:12] So it's sitting with her, sitting with her team, identifying the right use case, and then essentially building AI within her stack, right? So I've been loving that part. But I want to make sure to double click on something. I feel like I leapfrogged you on something. No, it's totally okay. But when we were talking about constraints, right, you have gotten really, really, really good at doing something that I don't think everybody is familiar with. I will receive. So please receive this. Yeah.

[00:39:40] And that is articulating when something doesn't work and how it doesn't work. Oh, I had to push back on her on a shared project we were working on. And I was like, Claudia Claude, if I'm going to go back and tell JCK she's wrong, like you got to have the receipts, boy. Which was totally fine. But like, again, a lot of people have been socially conditioned not to say where things don't work. Right? And when we talk about... Oh, that's very interesting.

[00:40:07] Especially Gen X when we were told to sit at the table quietly and, you know, speak when spoken to. But y'all, if you want to get AI right, you have to articulate where something's working and where it's not working. Right? So being able to have... Like asking for what you need in your marriage. It really is. And you can practice with an AI. AI is able to be psychologically safe for you. You're able to mirror it back. Right.

[00:40:35] But you have to be able to talk to it about what isn't working. That's the part that dials it in. Those are the constraints I'm talking about. Right? So like, for example, I have ADHD. I have a faster than normal brain. Right? Like, which means there are certain things that can be really hard for me. She can be impatient. Like her sidekick, Anna, over here. Oh, and my face has freaking subtitles, which is why I always... My forehead.

[00:41:04] Which is why I always have fidget. I can rent out space. Can we make this a part of my sponsorship package? Yes. Yes. Yeah. But anyways, the funny part... Where we're trying to go... Is that you are... The AI is not going to judge. The AI wants to know you because ultimately it wants to serve you and ideally future you to set you up for success. But when we hold the constraints about what isn't working or what is working in our head, it can never learn from that.

[00:41:34] So it ends up becoming a practice that we have to get better at being able to disclose that. And again, for Gen X women or for a lot of other people who didn't hit their head and lose all their memory, that's something that doesn't feel normal to them. And I think that's why people felt the, I'm not doing this right. Because there weren't playbooks, frameworks. I mean, you know, there was a mass influx of I'm the next AI guru.

[00:42:01] And now it's been interesting to see all of that, you know, back off. And I think it's only going to get better. But you were talking about just this like, you know, serene beauty and power. And I shared kind of my experience. But in that bridge area, you know, 21, 22, 23, there was a lot of uncertainty.

[00:42:28] And when people would talk about AI, growing up, you know, in the 80s, 90s, being born in 75, like when I watched Arnold Schwarzenegger, The Terminator, that was all that came into my vision with AI. And I'm like, oh, we can teach it to do this. And then it's going to come and just Sarah Connor us, you know. And I was terrified because it's so much new information.

[00:42:57] And there was, you know, distrust here from leadership, political, economic, you know, there's so much coming at you. And that's where I was like, is it going to be Arnold? Is it going to be the good guy? Like, what is this going to look like? And I've seen people, you know, my age just get it, right? They're like, yes, I'm with you. Like, it's scary as hell, right?

[00:43:27] But I've been so blessed having someone like you that has learned how to communicate and just start those curious questions with AI. I think that was always in your nature and how your brain works. Yeah. But just like having a cube buddy in your office, you pick up those word tracks and the how-tos. And that's why I have you here in Atlanta.

[00:43:56] And, you know, when we weren't whiteboarding and building the future of Evolve of what's coming, the conversation came up. Like, have you seen the movie The Terminator?

[00:44:09] And I said, no, but I referenced it in almost every keynote that I do on AI because The Terminator has such a strong staying power for people of all generations that it's literally prevented entire groups of people from choosing to begin with AI because their what-if monsters were anchored in that movie.

[00:44:34] And so what we ended up doing while we've been here at the Cubwood house is we watched The Terminator. It was so good. And within the first couple of frames, you know, it's like in the future of 2029. And I'm like, wait a minute. That's in three years. You guys. But literally, when was this? What was this made? This is literally in three years. This is not what the world looks like. Maybe it is what the world looks like.

[00:45:02] And then your brain starts going, wow, cinematography and the movies have come a long way because it's a pew, pew, pew. The big robots and the machines. But also my body. Like, I was feeling it in my body. Like, absolute terror. There was a reason I didn't watch the second half of it last night.

[00:45:23] That I chose to be outside working with Claudie Claude and letting my dear chief of staff and friend be entertained by my hubby and Terminator. It was so good. And we started, too. But then I fell asleep. But again, I guess to pull the thread here. It was fascinating to now be where I am with AI. Right. Which is, I'm a forward deployed engineer. Like, I'm literally building applied AI.

[00:45:52] I went to Johns Hopkins, learned how to code. And I'm really sharp when it comes to AI. I had never seen this movie before. And this movie, again, was responsible for entire populations of people not embracing AI. Right? And so to sit and watch that narrative that had such incredible staying power. Right. And to feel it in my body. Because I'm sure I had seen it before. But my body remembers.

[00:46:23] I mean, who knows if I had seen it before? Because I don't remember, you know, the movies I've seen. I really wish we could, like, fact check. I do. We don't know. 2020 JCK. But, you know, sometimes the universe does for us what, you know, we couldn't. But I get to re-experience it. And it was fascinating. I was a four-year-old. Six. I'm six. Thank you very much. Okay. I'll be seven in March. I'm such a child. I mean, it's been a really fun experience.

[00:46:51] And so now she's going to give Gen X a little more grace. I've always given Gen X grace. And Tim Morgan will be burnt into her story. That's true. Which, actually, I think my mom let my youngest brother, who was 12 years my difference, watch when he was like six or seven.

[00:47:21] That's so funny. It was terrifying. The music. The music. And then I was like, what's the sound? And Tim's like, it's a synthesizer. I was like, what's a synthesizer? Your husband is so patient with me. It's wonderful. Well, you both are teachers and have very fast brains. One of the things I was looking back on my notes from us watching, and you know, you note the technological shifts, right? Analog tools from pay phones to physical.

[00:47:51] And we laughed at the phone book, right? I was like, there's a pay phone? That's weird. And the fact that people didn't have cell phones. Right? Like, you would never have Anna Morgan, Anna K. Morgan, Anna M. Morgan, you know, like, but early recruiting, you know, there were the days where I had to pull out the phone book. Sarah Connor, literally dialing for dollars. What else did we say?

[00:48:17] Modern concepts differ, you know, significantly from the different generations. I think the other thing that was fascinating for me that your husband pulled the thread on, which I loved, was, you know, I mean, think about it. With a movie like Terminator, somebody back in, what, the 80s or the 70s? Like, I don't know. When was that made? Yes. It was. I don't know. I mean.

[00:48:43] Probably early 80s, I'm guessing, based on like the shape of the cars, which is how I anchor on it. But anyways, somebody had to. Definitely mid-70s, maybe early 80s. Yeah. Somebody had to look at AI, which was evolving at that time, right? It was much, much more junior. And come up with a way. And most of AI was where? Like, when I think about AI back then. Was it universities? I think universities and military, primarily. Or government.

[00:49:13] I mean, it wasn't even. I mean, this was before. Construction. This was way, way before a lot of it. If I think back to my Johns Hopkins program. But moral of the story is, somebody had to come up with that narrative before this was a likely thing. And now the narrative that they came up with is actually what we're seeing unfold in modern day, you know, with Anthropic, with OpenAI.

[00:49:38] Like, people are saying, look, the machines are potentially, like, are we moving towards Skynet? You know? Like, essentially what this has happened. Well, when it says Skynet, like, explain that. Yeah. So, Skynet was the. Was that through Terminator or John Hopkins? I got lost. Skynet was for Terminator. Okay. It was, like, I'm pretty sure that's the surface that the AI played on. Well, and I'm curious because. Or the name of the AI. So.

[00:50:07] It was Skynet. Yes. Okay. Again, I didn't watch the second half of it because the first half I just sat there and was like, my mom, I cannot believe she let my brother watch this. And then I was like, this is intense. And Arnold's mean. Like, I like Arnold. I mean, he ended up being a way better guy than a bad guy. Like, he's just one of those people that needs to play the funny, nice guy. Anyway. So, I was disturbed. And. God, where was I going with this? You.

[00:50:38] Anyway. I was so tickled that you were watching it. And I wanted to have this download from, you know, what you're taking away from it and how you think you're going to teach Gen X, you know, that maybe has that similar fear because it's, it was false evidence appearing real until I had, you know, someone that said, just trust me, go step by step.

[00:51:04] And if we do it this way, we're also protecting ourselves and there will be no Terminator. Yeah. Yeah. Which is what was the permission slip that I needed to be like, okay, if this is going to make me faster, smarter, and more money and help more people show me the way. Well, and I think there, there was a thread I was going to pull earlier about the Ellen Bailey conversation. Oh, sorry.

[00:51:34] No, it's totally fine. I was popping all over the place. Um, but she was working on something and I was reflecting on it and then gave her feedback on it and it was specifically about like, um, Gen X women. And I was trying to find a narrative that, that was like a visual to understand this. And essentially what I came up with was essentially like Gen X women have been almost like swinging on a monkey bar where they have to go to the next one. We're really good at that. To the next one.

[00:52:03] And you're really good at that. Like, okay, I have to. And then we can lift our foot up and hook it up. Well, and I have to, I have to let go for a second to swing the next one. It's a little uncertain, but then we get it and we're good. And every time you're becoming an expert on whatever that thing is, whatever that shift is, you know, it was first email, then it was this and it was cloud, whatever it is. You guys are incredible learners.

[00:52:29] Blackberry to the Verizon phone, to the flip phone, all of those evolutions of the how, right? It's something that you got very good at and that momentum. But with AI, the difference is unlike historically where you, where you just had to let go with one hand, AI requires you to let go with both hands and to go to the ground, but I was like to better understand the ground that you stand on.

[00:52:57] So you can get back up because it needs to know the one size fits one Anna Morgan. It needs to know the JCK in order to get it right. And Gen X women have historically had to chase and get caught up with everything else. Understanding who you are. Wasn't a part of the arena. We're just trying to survive up in here. Exactly. But again, in order to get AI right, we have to drop from the monkey bars. We have to do that inner work to understand what our goods look like. Right.

[00:53:27] And then when we do that right, the crazy thing is it becomes a platform and you don't have to hang anymore. You're just walking. Right. You're not having like the, the friction's gone. It's a different ball game. Well, and this is what you're helping, you know, smaller startup businesses like mine accomplish all the way up to building tech and working and doing keynotes around, you know, how do you just start? Right. How do you choose to begin?

[00:53:55] It can be daunting, but there are some ways that you can do that that make it a lot, a lot easier. Yeah. And it doesn't matter what model you're using that, that inner work of being able to define what your version of good is, define what's important to you and what's not important to you again. But this sounds like an exercise, whether, you know, you're scaling a business or your early career or, you know, an executive with 20 plus years of experience trying to figure out what's next.

[00:54:24] I feel like going through these exercises or building that foundation, letting go and kind of exploring that area. Right. Looking back to my, you know, flight crew analogy is like I had no foundation. Now you do. I was a one woman shop and, um, you know, the evolution and growth where it's been a product

[00:54:49] of borrowing the belief in others that, you know, I can do this, right? Because you are doing this. I am doing this still, still working on, uh, you know, the reframes and, you know, but honestly, that's also what I love about myself and Gen X women is that we are life learners. Like I never graduate from this program and I'm here for it because that keeps me sharp.

[00:55:19] It keeps me relevant. It allows me to be of service, to share what was freely given to me, to pass that on to others. And I know there are so many people, you know, boomer, Gen X, sophisticated millennial and younger that are building the future of work. Right. And, you know, that agent and that success and that empowerment that I experienced along

[00:55:46] with my lived experience of being in corporate, leveraging AI to free up my administrative time from write-ups to make a business case, to advocate for candidates better for a variety of things. Like I was like, this is great. Recruiters are never going to go away because we have to have that human to human heart to heart discernment, intuition sometimes where people are like, how have you had the success that you've had?

[00:56:14] You know, that would be difficult for you on the brain injury side. But for me, it has just been being curious and trusting like the vibe that comes up through me, whether it's how I interact with a hiring manager, how I advocate for my talent pools and

[00:56:35] the squiggly routes or innovative ways I would get to that top 5% talent that truly became, you know, those people architects that build the business. Right. And that ties into kind of the golden thread of Anna Morgan, which is influence, access and

[00:56:58] community building in service of making us all better because we build what we wish existed or that we have to build in service of figuring out who we are. You know? Well, and the part that I love about all of this is, again, like you said, Gen XM and are incredibly, incredibly good at learning. They've done it through all these different periods in their life. And we're only going to get better.

[00:57:24] And now that I'm at the ageism point, I'm like, don't let a little wrinkles and whatever keep you from hiring the best person you're ever going to hire. Right. But the thing that I was going to just like make sure to reiterate is right now, the task that is in front of you is to better understand Anna Morgan. Which is uncomfortable. It's uncomfortable. But AI is like a big mirror. But AI is a mirror.

[00:57:52] And if we let it be able to see what's going on behind the scenes, it can understand what are those unique one size fits on ways to be able to help support. And so that's the exciting part is right now, what everything has brought you to is in order to go further, I have to look within and understand what's important to me, what's not important to me. And honestly, what I need. And I think a lot of people.

[00:58:20] Going back, like I joked earlier asking about what you need and holding yourself accountable. Right. Like the other biggest mirror I've seen in my life in the last 10 years is my daughter. Right. Where they see all the parts of you. Right. And oftentimes they show up in the most annoying ways. And you're like, that's my DNA in that little attitude. But, you know, when your kiddo says, mom, why did you go back to corporate?

[00:58:47] You're just coming home like raging or crying every day. And I was like, wow, you know, okay. And it forced me to sit with that uncomfortable truth. Is that the narrative in the story that I want my only child to think of the world of work and the number of people that I've had the privilege to interview and help and serve in connecting those dots in service of their future self.

[00:59:17] And I was like, oh, heck no. You know, and that's when I decided to bet on myself and go out on my own. And there's been several versions of that, which I love, you know, the name is evolve because we're all evolving and there's no linear path. And what's good evolves. And so it used to be in-person conferences. Now it's evolving into being tables. It's evolving into being intimate conversations.

[00:59:44] It's about, you know, lounge conversations and, you know, not being afraid to say, I'm freaking tired of trying to figure this out. Yeah. And are you too? What have you learned about being tired about figuring this out and being able to learn from other people is such an important piece. Well, and I think that ties back into like the clubhouse thing where you didn't have the pressure of the camera.

[01:00:09] Like COVID made us have to be more comfortable on Zoom and learn the technology. And in a way, it set a lot of us up to be able to fast track our AI knowledge some now because of what we were forced to learn. Because I know more than half the population was not up to date on Zoom and Teams and all the tech. Lighting and microphones. Oh my gosh.

[01:00:38] Although, you know, anyway, I won't get on that tangent. It's like, put your phone up here. I don't want to look at your phone. But again, that was an example. I bet you did that because socially you were like, I'll just put the phone right here. I had no freaking idea because I couldn't have the camera on for the first year, like after my head injury. And then I had to be on camera. And then I didn't know how to dress myself because I only had to be like waist up on camera. I didn't hate that, but I also just ate everything in my home during that period.

[01:01:07] Well, I couldn't taste anything back then because I had lost all of my taste buds with COVID. But anyway, it's more of the story. It's like we're constantly evolving. Yeah. Yeah. I know we're probably pretty late on time now. No, we're not. I mean, yes, we are. How long do you usually record for? But you're a huge part of the Evolve 26 story.

[01:01:30] And the fact that you only came in at the end of the summer and the impact and joy that you brought me. And, you know, for anyone that's building, I mean, it's lonely. It is, you know, it brings up any wound or trauma that you haven't dealt with. And I have done a shit ton of healing work, you know, between not drinking for 15 years,

[01:02:00] being certified in yoga, prioritizing, you know, books and podcasts and community. There's always still more to learn. And entrepreneurship has, you know, been that mirror. And then AI, you know, forces you, as you said, where I've dug in and being able to ask it the questions and reflect back.

[01:02:25] Because whether you're leading a team or building something on your own, when you're trying to figure out that story, you're so close to it. And so now having these conversations, you can prompt it to ask you the right questions. And that's the framework that you have kind of nailed as I understand it. Well, I mean, so if we, I guess, as I was rebuilding who I was, right?

[01:02:55] We'll land the plane in like five. Understanding, again, that narrative of who I was, that had historically been done with conversations and people, right? And through those conversations that you had with people. And I bet they were done over meals 90% of the time. Probably. But then you have frames, right? Like in the frame is how you view the picture within like of what's around it. Yeah.

[01:03:19] Now AI can be the reflection for us to capture what we're talking about and reflect it back to us in a completely psychologically safe way. Yeah. So we don't have to do some of that discovery work with other people. And candidly, like sometimes the people that we would do it with wouldn't always be the right safe people, right? But now AI can do that for us. And it's that ability to peel back the onion to figure out what is really important to me. Yeah. Right?

[01:03:48] Like not, not the borrowed version of good that I steal from popular culture or from my family of origin or whatever, but like what is at my core. Or what everyone else is doing. Exactly. Yeah. Like important to me. And we can do some of that discovery work. I think my hypothesis is AI makes it a hell of a lot easier to do that. Well, it does. And I feel like the data tells us that the world is suffering right now. We are chronically lonely and we've been isolated.

[01:04:15] And many people have not been given or have put themselves in places to sharpen their EQ skills. Now, I feel like AI can help some with that. But there also has to be that willingness, right? Willingness to say yes and just start where like I think about willingness from the healing journey. You know, yes, I'm willing, you know, to try one day at a time to not drink.

[01:04:44] I've literally had to apply a lot of those same principles in my business where I'm like, literally today, I'm not going to call Cobb County and just shut it down. You know, or I know to pick up the phone and or have the awareness when the universe, God, source, Gus, the guy upstairs, put someone in your place, in your face that says, I have the solution to what is holding you back.

[01:05:14] And, you know, for people that are in work or building, you know, pay attention to that. Just start. You know, this is probably the oddest story you've heard about the world of work and AI mixed with a brain injury ending with Arnold Schwarzenegger and the Terminator.

[01:05:33] However, this is the beautiful part of neurodiverse brains, especially, you know, women in mid career or in lived experience. You know, chapter four for me, three, three and three quarters. We're not mathing. So you're helping me and I just want to bring you on full time and make you all mine.

[01:06:04] However, you are working with a variety of different industries, training and teaching teams to embrace AI, you know, for the recruiters that are, you know, mid to senior career that are hearing this, you know, what is the one thing that you want them to remember? And then after that, let's talk about, you know, where to find you and what you're building next.

[01:06:30] Yeah. So the one thing for anybody listening that I just want to make sure that you remember from this conversation is that AI does best when it's done one size fits one, not one size fits all. And what I mean by that is being able to understand the unique nuance of what it is that you need and what it is that you want.

[01:06:50] So if you go to my website, whiterockroad.org, say one more time, whiterockroad.org, and we'll make sure it's tagged in the wherever you're showing this to.

[01:07:31] Yeah. What I mean, right. Right. Depending on the week. It really does. But that being able to collect those dots allows the AI to meet you where you're at. And again, it takes some discovery and it takes choosing to begin. This is not something that you do one time. It's something that you consistently update. Yeah. And evolve, right? Yeah. So I think that's the thing that I would say for sure that I want people to remember.

[01:08:01] And again, we'll get you those prompts. What was the second one? Would you be willing for the job seekers, because there are so many people in the market, for sharing your artifact that you built on how to search for a job with AI? A hundred percent. So one thing that I did, I was doing forward deployed engineering work, which is building applied AI. Building applied AI. And I'm just going to say it. What does that mean? Yeah.

[01:08:31] So like, you know, I don't know all these UX, UI, user experience. You know, easiest thing to say is, you know, Claude and other things can do a lot of stuff, but you don't necessarily know how to go from zero to one with that. I'm an engineer that builds a zero to one. So I can build custom workflows. I can build custom. I've seen that like all sorts of different things. Yeah. Right.

[01:08:58] Um, and so anyways, I originally wasn't going to restart my business. I wanted to find that role out there in the wilds. But the problem with that rule is it was right on the beginning of begin, like this is brand new and the market hadn't defined it yet. They don't even have the right job description. Let's be honest. For sure. So I had to build a different way of being able to search for those, for those roles. Yes. So I built, um, several agent teams.

[01:09:26] It's like a very sourcing wizard over here. Yeah. Well, this is what I, I essentially, I used to build HR technology stacks that were pretty damn good. Um, and I built the stack for the job seeker. Um, so I built it for myself to try to find these four deployed engineering roles that did not have the same naming convention. Um, and then I was trying to convince people that I knew how to do this stuff. And I was like, what, what way should I like, how can I actually teach people?

[01:09:53] We actually show them how you got to creating the roadmap for how to look for the job and find the right champions, influencers, or hell yes people to give you a chance to shoot your shot. Well, and so what I did is I took, everybody would ask what's, what's the, the agent or the applied AI experience that you're most proud of. And I realized I wasn't even focusing on the one I was most proud of because the one I was most proud of was the one that helped me find that job.

[01:10:23] And so I was like, you know what? I want to put this out there so other people can find value from it. And the way I approach it is much like me. It's not normal compared to how things have historically been done. Cause again, I don't have a design bias for how it's been historically done. So for example, some people will build like resumes. They're like, Ooh, this is the resume that I use for the ATS or whatever. My process totally different.

[01:10:47] I had an AI interview me to create a blueprint for my entire career, all the different projects I led, the different teams I was on. And then, um, that, uh, 30 page document is queried based on the job description to create one size fits one resumes. So anyways, moral of the story, I built all of this into a way that you can take it to your own AI and it can just pick it up for you and build the same agent of teams. And so it's free. It's out there.

[01:11:16] Uh, make sure you turn on the thinking to high. Um, when you do that type of work, make sure you have the right model selected and you have your thinking turned up cause you, you want to make sure you're using the, the right size brain for this type of work. I mean, so many ideas, like even just a simple guide with the five must use when you just start,

[01:11:40] you know, for people, but that's very, uh, generous of you. Thank you. Thank you. And like she and her friends will, you know, be the AI gurus that pulled together all the fringe events at the big conferences that we go to because that also helps solve, um, people feeling isolated and not apart or they didn't get the invite. Um, and that's one of the other, there's so many things I adore about you and, you know,

[01:12:10] I can't thank you enough for how you've helped me evolve. And I know that, um, you know, the lessons, the stories, the learnings and the impact will continue, uh, to be just make my cheeks hurt from smiling kind of awesome. Um, so you're doing bullshit. You're blazing your own trail. You're following those intuitive like nudges.

[01:12:38] You're embracing your super strength of not having that lived bias and making that your superpower. And, you know, collectively we're elevating the world of work through, you know, AI getting to know ourselves, doing the thing and, you know, bringing more people together, which is awesome and learning together.

[01:13:04] Uh, and you know, there's something special when, um, two strong personality females with very different, but also very similar brains, because she's not only like mathy, sciencey, analytical project manager brain. She is wildly creative at the same time where I was like, wow, I thought I had all of Martha Stewart and me, but you have Martha Stewart and then some.

[01:13:32] So, um, we're going to keep evolving over here. Stay tuned. Like, I don't know if it's the full moon or where I am in the world right now, but I think not, I think I know that peak evolution tipping point is right here. Very close. Yeah. And not in the Arnold Schwarzenegger bad way. No. So in the Arnold Schwarzenegger good way. Cause apparently he becomes a good guy, which I have no idea how that's going to happen based on.

[01:14:02] You have to watch the part two today, right? I don't even think I watched part two. Apparently it's like, it was it one of my good guy friends. Like it's literally my favorite movie as a kid was number two. So if you're Gen X, preferably female, but we'll take men too. And you have strong opinions about your view of AI and how it was impacted from a Hollywood movie from the late seventies, early eighties.

[01:14:30] Like we want to hear from you because I think this conversation can keep going on. For sure. And there's other narratives too. Cause what people don't realize is like, anytime you've experienced AI before it sharpens your design bias for how AI is supposed to work. So the, the, the most original one was probably Terminator Skynet, but then there was the Jetsons, right? There was Marvel. Much, much nicer on the nervous system.

[01:14:59] But all of those different things, like, you know, um, vision and Marvel, right? Like, um, like whatever it was, it, it created almost a picture of how AI is supposed to be used in your brain. I mean, a lot of those superheroes got like bit by a spider or injected with some like weird sewer stuff that made them spectacular. Some, some did. Right. Right. And essentially that's what the AI is promising to us is it's like the thing that you can ingest to make you spectacular.

[01:15:29] Yeah. And it looks different for each person. Right. So similar to like how X-Men evolve into different things and have different, like they have different gifts or whatever. That's what AI can do for us. And what it's amplifying in us looks different. Um, but again, we can't get to those pieces if we don't choose to begin with it. And the historical narratives that you've experienced have shaped in so many ways how

[01:15:58] you approach AI because it's like, oh no, this is what AI is. And then you see something that's not, and it's incongruent. And when there's incongruency, sometimes that can lead us to not bias to action on the thing. And so that's, again, I lost my memory. I didn't have any of those. So I saw it as a tool and chose to begin with it and just started playing. So anyways, we're like, I mean, again, where you've been, what you've done and how you approach things.

[01:16:23] And just from such a, just straightforward and like, this is the data. These are the facts. This is the problem and I'll fix it, which is amazing. Um, so thank you for tuning in and staying with us through this ADHD conversation. Uh, we just were like, we're going to talk about AI and Arnold Schwarzenegger and just see what comes from it.

[01:16:48] But, you know, I'm leaning into the Anna Morgan magic of staying curious and being present and embracing all the sides of me, you know, um, so that I can continue to learn and evolve and be of maximum service to this industry. So, uh, and I'm glad that you're being the gas in the engine to help me get there. So over and out. Yay.

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