By HR for HR

By HR for HR

HR Without the Fluff

By HR, For HR is a podcast hosted by VirgilHR CEO Jocelyn King that brings practical insights from HR leaders on recruiting, performance management, compliance, leadership, AI, and more. Each episode shares real-world lessons you can apply immediately to elevate your organization and strategy.

#30 - Sira Laurel: HR Under Pressure: Preventing Burnout and Leading Through Change
By HR for HRSeptember 24, 2026
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#30 - Sira Laurel: HR Under Pressure: Preventing Burnout and Leading Through Change

HR professionals are often expected to be the steady hand during an organization’s most difficult moments but who is taking care of HR? In this episode of By HR for HR, Jocelyn King sits down with Sira Laurel, founder of North of Normal, to explore the intersection of HR, neuroscience, self-care, an...

#29 - Tiffany English: Outsourcing vs. Offshore Employment: Choosing the Right Global Talent Model
By HR for HRSeptember 17, 2026
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#29 - Tiffany English: Outsourcing vs. Offshore Employment: Choosing the Right Global Talent Model

In this episode of By HR, For HR, Jocelyn King sits down with Tiffany English, CEO of Access Offshoring, to explore the dynamic world of global talent acquisition. Tiffany, with her extensive background in business improvement and change management, shares invaluable insights into how companies can ...

#28 - Melissa Michael: How to Leverage AI Tools Without Sacrificing the Human Touch
By HR for HRSeptember 10, 202600:25:59

#28 - Melissa Michael: How to Leverage AI Tools Without Sacrificing the Human Touch

In this episode, Jocelyn King interviews Melissa Michael, Vice President of HR Systems, about the intersection of HR operations, enterprise technology transformations, and practical artificial intelligence. With more than two years of experience spanning generalist roles, compliance, and systems adm...

#27 - John Horn: Leading Through Discomfort: Equity, Inclusion, and Employee Engagement in Nonprofits
By HR for HRSeptember 03, 202600:25:23

#27 - John Horn: Leading Through Discomfort: Equity, Inclusion, and Employee Engagement in Nonprofits

Host Jocelyn King welcomes John Horne, Vice President of People, Culture, and Development at the YMCA of Metropolitan Los Angeles, for a thought-provoking discussion on people leadership and organizational culture within mission-driven nonprofits. Bringing over 30 years of leadership experience—incl...

#26 - Victoria Ashton: Data-Driven HR: Aligning People Analytics with Business Revenue
By HR for HRAugust 27, 202600:26:37

#26 - Victoria Ashton: Data-Driven HR: Aligning People Analytics with Business Revenue

On this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King hosts Victoria Ashton, Chief People Officer at Lob, to discuss building the HR function in high-growth technology environments and aligning people analytics directly with business objectives. Victoria shares her experience scaling early-stage startu...

#25 - Matthew Owenby: The Reality of Workplace AI - Cutting Through the Hype with Value-Driven Strategy
By HR for HRAugust 20, 202600:23:52

#25 - Matthew Owenby: The Reality of Workplace AI - Cutting Through the Hype with Value-Driven Strategy

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Matthew Owenby, Chief Human Resources Officer at Aflac, to explore how progressive benefits strategies and deep business alignment redefine modern HR leadership. Matthew outlines Aflac’s value-driven philosophy of caring for employees...

#24 - Theresa Hummel-Krallinger: Humor, Resilience, and Stand-Up Skills: Unlocking Better Leadership
By HR for HRAugust 13, 202600:29:53

#24 - Theresa Hummel-Krallinger: Humor, Resilience, and Stand-Up Skills: Unlocking Better Leadership

Jocelyn King sits down with Theresa Hummel-Krallinger, President and Chief People Officer of High Five Performance, speaker, stand-up comedian, and author of Make Waves. Theresa discusses the core thesis of her new book, emphasizing the necessity of lifelong career ownership and employability in an ...

#23 - JJ Owen: Gen Z in the Skilled Trades: Rethinking Recruitment Beyond the Resume
By HR for HRAugust 06, 2026
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#23 - JJ Owen: Gen Z in the Skilled Trades: Rethinking Recruitment Beyond the Resume

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King connects with JJ Owen, Executive Director of Skills Jam, to explore how organizations can adapt their talent acquisition strategies to engage the next generation of skilled trades talent. JJ breaks down the fundamental shift in how Gen Z consumes in...

#22 - Leah Stiegler: Navigating Complex Labor Laws
By HR for HRJuly 29, 2026
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#22 - Leah Stiegler: Navigating Complex Labor Laws

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King is joined by Leah Stiegler, Principal at Woods Rogers, to unpack the complex, high-stakes intersection of employment law and everyday workplace management. Together, they explore pressing compliance challenges facing modern HR teams, including the s...

#21 - Peter Phelan: Becoming a Cultural Change Agent: Turning Taboo Topics and Dry Benefits into Engagement
By HR for HRJuly 23, 2026
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#21 - Peter Phelan: Becoming a Cultural Change Agent: Turning Taboo Topics and Dry Benefits into Engagement

In this episode of By HR for HR, host Jocelyn King sits down with Peter Phelan, a former Chief People Officer turned culture strategist, executive headhunter, and HR’s resident humorist. Peter shares his journey from studying HR in Ireland during the 1990s to climbing the corporate ranks in the tech...