The Real Reason You’re Exhausted At Work. With Dr. P

[00:00:00] Hello, hello. You're tuning into the Careering with Cameron Podcast, your safe place to ask all the dumb questions about finding a job. Hey everybody, it's Kevin Cameron here with Careering with Cameron, and I'm going to jump right to the punch here and let you know.

[00:00:18] I'm joined today by Dr. P, and she is going to get into how to really be authentic, but you're going to want to share this with people, and it's going to help quite a bit. So go ahead and make sure that you're subscribed to our podcast to make sure that you're getting this podcast and future podcasts as well, and that you can go ahead and share it with your friends.

[00:00:41] I'm going to jump in here. Dr. P, thank you so much for joining us. Dr. P coaches folks on six continents. She is primarily focused on helping people really to be authentic in a world that I think we can all relate to for social media purposes. We have all kinds of different images we're trying to project, or images where we're competing with, and then we have a layer of job search in there.

[00:01:08] We've got a layer of graduating from college in there. So much going on. Dr. P agreed to come on the show with us today and share a little bit about like, hey, it's all right, first of all. Second, how do you be you? So welcome. Thank you so much, Kevin, for having me here today. And when you reached out, I thought this is such an important topic not to necessarily hide who you are,

[00:01:36] but not to basically vomit out the entirety of who you are in the name of authenticity. And would you agree these days that when you scroll through LinkedIn, sometimes you get a bit of a shock? Oh, I mean, personal stories and things that, you know, people, I think at this point, LinkedIn has become sort of what used to be what used to be Facebook. And now it's now it's like now it's like LinkedIn and Facebook have somehow blended. And I'm not sure where we're going.

[00:02:05] No, I might actually find Facebook more entertaining these days because, you know, like, for instance, the other day I was scrolling something on LinkedIn. And what popped up was I woke up early one morning and I looked out of the window of my vacation Airbnb. I mean, I'm just paraphrasing. OK, and I went downstairs to get croissants. And what happened was I saw this beggar and I gave him my bag of croissants because kindness is my personal brand. And I got a shock on my life.

[00:02:34] I'm like, wait, why do we have analysis? Why is everything made into content these days? OK, I know on IG, on Facebook, on TikTok, people live to create content. But like LinkedIn, we're supposed to be career focused. You know, I think that might be setting our Gen Zs and our future Gen As up with the wrong idea of what it's like to present yourself professionally in a world where for the last, I guess, 10 years,

[00:03:02] you know, we're talking about how to be authentic, how to be vulnerable. And then these days we've got even more stuff like how to be old money, how to be quiet luxury, how to be natural. And actually, you know, it's actually given me quite a bit of a shock. Yeah. Well, and even to the point of what dressing in specific colors. I know. I know. How does that classify you? Yeah, it's almost feels like, you know, we are being presented with so many images as this is the only way to go.

[00:03:30] And if you're just graduating, you might feel like this might be the only model you have to subscribe to because it feels like it's being given by authority because this is being trumped left, right and center. And that can be really dangerous because you become compelled to keep cosplaying something that is not you. Yes. Yes.

[00:03:53] So I'm going to say, let's take a deep breath and decide maybe we'll spend some time during this episode realizing that like we're actual people and we can be the people that we are. And Dr. P can help us figure out like, how do we get in touch with that person? How do we reconnect with that person?

[00:04:15] Because frankly, the point that you made with me when we initially met was how do you go on an interview when you're trying to be for other people and actually connect with that job and the people that you're going to work with when you're also being somebody completely different from who you are and then expect to be happy in that position? You're already forcing it. Yeah.

[00:04:45] I mean, first, I want to say that it is very possible to be happy in life without having to chase happiness overtly. Okay. Yes. Then the other thing then I want to say is, of course, you're going to go in with skills. You can't go in with no skills. If you don't, then you better brush up something. Okay. Yes. Then apart from that, so you come in with your skills, you come in with the mindset that if this is right for me, it will come. Otherwise, it's a learning lesson or something else. This is not aligned with me right now.

[00:05:13] So having this mindset helps you go into this whole numbers game kind of idea so that you don't get so easily deflated because the job market is up and down in different countries and different industries. And, you know, the economy has basically been in what I call a zombie resuscitation mode over and over again since COVID. So a lot of things are incredibly uncertain and growing even more uncertain. So a strong headspace is very important. And obviously have the skills. Do not think your skills.

[00:05:42] And if you go in with this basics, then you want to ask yourself, who am I really? You know, who am I really? Sometimes isn't just about, oh, you know, I love to do spreadsheets. Not everybody likes to do spreadsheets. Maybe if you're neurodiverse and you love patterns and you really, really dig spreadsheets and code, sure. But, you know, like how many people said when, you know, when they were three years old, my dream is to run spreadsheets. It's probably three. Yeah. Yeah.

[00:06:10] So ask yourself first, you know, like what do you bring in terms of your personality? That is something that when you put in the Venn diagram of your skill in that sweet spot, that makes it special. Okay. So what are your gifts? That's one good thing to think about. So if you are somebody who cannot seem to think about your gifts because you like to play yourself down a lot, ask your friends, ask people you can trust. And sometimes it may sound very left field. Go with that. Okay.

[00:06:39] And then also it's always ask yourself, what are your challenges? Because you have to be very aware of what your challenges are, not as a way to shoot yourself down, but to ask yourselves, how can I use my strengths to augment my challenges? Or how can I work synergistically with somebody else by me pushing out my strengths to help their challenges and them using the strengths to help my challenges? This is what teamwork is really about. This is what everybody being on the ball, being accountable is about.

[00:07:05] And then I want you to ask yourself, how did you use your strengths to pearl your challenges into something that you're really proud of? When I say pearl, I know it sounds like the pearl, which is the oyster pearl. But let's think about it as, you know, the oyster gets faced with that really irritating speck of sand. And what it can do is just keep polishing and polishing and polishing it until it becomes this glorious gleaming pearl.

[00:07:31] So I want you to imagine how are you going to, like, what have you done to pearl your challenges? And this will give you a really good guidance as to where your resilience and your grit lies. That's a great expression. I love that. I love that so much. So I also, you know, as you were speaking about starting work and being authentic. Yeah. And then and then polishing that that grain of sand.

[00:08:01] It made me reflect on a conversation I often have with people who are starting a brand new position. They finally land this job. They're so excited. They start the job and a week or so in they reach out and they're like, it's going great. But I am exhausted. I'm so tired. I'm so tired. And really, the connector is not only that they have a lot of learning to do.

[00:08:27] It's also that for the most part, when you're coming into a new position, you're not necessarily leading with your completely authentic self. Right.

[00:08:37] So I would imagine that if you are pretending to be someone that you're maybe not, not on like a huge level, but you are, you know, concerned with image more so than maybe you normally are, or you're trying to be projecting in an image that you're maybe not comfortable being. That that must be quite exhausting for people. Of course.

[00:09:04] If you think about yourself as your born battery, then at what rate, at what normal rate does your battery degrade or basically decay, right? Use up the energy. And then think about how you are cosplaying somebody else, pretending to somebody else, being very conscious about it, checking yourself. So it's almost like, am I right? Am I doing this? What's I doing that? You're replaying your conversations and your actions over and over again, back at home, in bed, in your dreams even.

[00:09:33] You're going to be exhausted. You're going to be waking up running on low battery mode. How good of a listener are you if you're doing that? If you're always analyzing, what do they want me to say? But not necessarily like thinking about what is, you know, actually responding. You're always thinking about what should I say, not what do I feel is the right answer. Yeah. And that is very, very exhausting.

[00:10:03] And I understand that when you're in the beginnings of a career, you have to make a good impression. This is where your skills come in. You cannot fake your skills. Yes. Like, sure, you may not hit every single thing that they ask you, but you can always learn and practice and review, strengthen your process, strengthen your learning. That one is something that is aside from having to keep hyper analyzing yourself.

[00:10:26] So if you're finding yourself, you know, in your sleep, worrying when you're in your waking moments, worrying when you're sitting with your loved ones, worrying, not being there. Then there's something to think about to power down your brain in this aspect. And I know it's going to be hard, but think about your battery. If your battery is burning through energy the whole day, thinking about something that's not giving it any returns, then I think that's not really useful for you.

[00:10:53] Instead, you know, ask yourself, what can I use this energy on to learn to grow, not only professionally, but also personally? Yeah. Yeah. I'm using it to, to, to help yourself rather than make things harder for yourself. Absolutely.

[00:11:10] I guess, you know, I think for maybe people who have functioned well, I'll call it in an environment where they've been able to cosplay or sort of pretend to be people that they're not as comfortable being. Not, not from a malicious perspective, just that, you know, they, they just, they feel like this is maybe who I want to be, even though it's not really who I want to be.

[00:11:40] Maybe I'll rephrase that. What I think people want me to be versus what I actually am. Right. And so trying to be what other people want me to be. How do you identify when that's happening? How do you, how, are there tricks for you to know, like, hey, I'm getting into this thing where I'm not really being true to myself. How do you know that?

[00:12:05] Well, look, there has to be a middle ground here, you know, like a really good amount of self-awareness and discernment. So for instance, if you like to sit with your leg up, which, you know, some of us like to do, I like to do that privately. You cannot do that at work. Okay. So that is not acceptable. But you know, there's some things where you are pretending to be something else. So for instance, you're pretending to be over-friendly. You're pretending to pick up the slack for everybody.

[00:12:31] And, you know, you're becoming the rubbish bin, the dump, you know, in your workplace, holding everything together because you're worried that people will find you useless otherwise. That's not good. If you are, you know, like, let's say if you're doing things to fawn on people. So the term fawning is, you know, think about a courtier in the courts of Italy, you know, where Machiavelli was writing the prints about people who learned to fawn to survive.

[00:12:58] And if you are doing that, like maybe a eunuch in the Qing dynasty, then all the time, then that is not going to be useful because you're pretending to be somebody else. And this is a situation in your work where you're not trying to guarantee your life or death. So, you know, let's not trick your brain that you are there. Hmm. Okay. So let's pick on salespeople for a minute. Okay. I think salespeople many times, they are, you know, very good at selling a product.

[00:13:28] And so there's sort of this like relationship of morphing into the environment, morphing along, mirroring perhaps with clients, mirroring that behavior. How do they know when they're losing their own identity in work? So obviously sometimes it's important to put yourself in the shoes of the person you're talking to, especially in sales, right? In sales, you need a direct connection to that person.

[00:13:56] Otherwise, if it's irrelevant, they're going to switch off. You need that. Okay. But let's say you're lying. That's when, you know, you cross the line. Like, oh, you know, I have three kids too when you've got several kids. Oh, yes. Yeah. You know, it happens. I've heard like salespeople say things like, oh, no, they pretend to be of a different sexual orientation even. That's why I think it's crossing the line. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. That's pretty far over. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. All right. Now let's go back.

[00:14:25] We're going back now to the students. Okay. Okay. And I would imagine that we're working with students who are perhaps interviewing for their first position. And there's a tendency to say, this is my first interview. I need to find a job. I need to basically say whatever I need to say to get that job, right?

[00:14:49] How do we help them to know that their authentic self is perhaps more interesting than a created self? Well, maybe it's not about being interesting. Maybe it's about the fact that your lives will catch up with you. Or it's very exhausting to keep up your lives. Do you really want that long-term cost in your life?

[00:15:18] I think that's something you have to think about. Because liars always get caught up. Otherwise, if you keep forming that, you need a double life. And I'm not thinking of a lover life as something fun. I'm thinking double life as something really exhausting or something mundane that you could have stemmed from the start. Before we even think about you being interesting, let's think about how exhausting it's going to be. Can you really live that way? Yeah.

[00:15:42] And there is one thing that the culmination of social media has done a really great job with. And that is in outing things that are not true. So the disadvantage that current generations have is that stretching the truth oftentimes is something that is very difficult to cover going forward.

[00:16:10] So to your point, deciding how much exhaustion you want to include in your day every day is something to consider. How do we know when to say when when we're trying to connect to a possible employer? And this is our first job. This is an interview that we're nervous. We're trying to make sure we make a good impression. We really want this position. How do we do that?

[00:16:39] Well, obviously, like I said, come in with your skills. Come in with who you are. But there are things that shouldn't be fixed. Like your fundamental personality. The things that you actually enjoy doing. Like person A says, oh my god, I love beers. And then what happens? They get a reputation and they're expected to drink. But it's just you really, really hate beer. Listen to me, say, I really love this music. And at the end of four years, they admit, oh, I really hate this. I really want to be caught up that way.

[00:17:04] I mean, this is just like a small thing where it's not that not as exhausting to maybe for your liver. It's exhausting. Maybe for your ears, it's exhausting. But you know, like so ask yourself, like what? Catch yourself out before you pretend to say something just to make that connection, just to be like, just to please somebody else. Like you shouldn't be doing that to please somebody else. But let's say, you know, it's something that you can grow into.

[00:17:29] So like, for instance, yeah, you know, like I can grow into becoming more of a team player. Or I can grow into becoming a bit less introverted. No, I didn't say completely extroverted. I'd say maybe less introverted, less, you know, maybe less people scared, you know, less socially anxious. Because these are things that are flexible. Yes. Right? Right. So these are things that you can always say that, yeah, you know, like I could play well with others in the X, Y, Z context.

[00:17:55] Or I could, you know, volunteer for being part of this interest group. And you could find a way to do it in a way that is aligned with your personality. So this is not about faking it, but rather asking myself, can I grow into that if that's a healthy kind of growth? Mm-hmm. So when you're working with clients, how do you typically help them when they're looking to make a change like that? Like, what are the steps that you take in your practice to support people?

[00:18:25] What do you mean by change like that? Give me an example. Oh, I'm sorry. So when you're working with a client, right? Okay. And they come to you and they're looking for help. Okay. How do you typically, how does it typically work? So typically when they're looking for help, maybe you give me an example of what kind of help that makes it more concrete. Yeah, for your listeners. Sure, sure.

[00:18:51] So let's say this is somebody who is, let's say they're, so they're probably career-minded if they're listening to the podcast, right? So they're career-minded and maybe they feel as though they are off track in terms of what they are passionate about. Does that help? How does one become off track about what they're passionate about?

[00:19:15] I think maybe because they are, so flipping the script, earlier you said you don't want to become the dumpster, right? Yep. For everybody to come and dump everything into. So maybe let's pick that person. Okay. You've got somebody now who is, they're now the dumpster.

[00:19:38] Everything comes to them because they're like, I want to do everything because that way everybody will like me and I'll be able to do all of these different jobs. I'm going to grow my skills and all that good stuff. When they come to you and they need help, how do you help them? So you're saying that this person has already taken on that role, that established informal role in the company as their first job. And they're trying to establish a new set of rules for working. Yes. Okay. Okay.

[00:20:07] So in this sense, you know, it could be something like, oh, this is not within the scope of my work, but I can give you a little guide. Will that help? Basically, you're not trying to shut it off straight away because people will not be used to that. Gotcha. So basically scaffold something for other people. We can check in at this time or could say right now, and I'm taking on realistically five projects and I am swamped. If I would like to give a good quality, then I'm not able to take this on.

[00:20:36] So being able to phrase it in very polite and polite ways with still accountability, not scolding other people, not scolding yourself either. Okay. Or not giving a really long over explanation helps. Okay. So in your practice, would you be working with them to kind of build the confidence to be able to say, okay, this is where I would like to go? Yes.

[00:21:06] So confidence, you know, like doesn't just come from, oh, I'm great at this or I know how to do this. Often, you know, like if your body doesn't believe you from years of fawning on people, then you can tell yourself all you want to tell is not going to happen. So what you need instead is one, the knowledge or the understanding that people have done that before. Okay. So that's permission. So if you know that people have done that before, you're not the only special snowflake.

[00:21:32] So you can actually cross over to the other side and be successful at that. So that's the number one. Number two is the skills, the know-how. Okay. So the know-how is, for instance, in the form of scripts, like the ones that I just told you. Right. So help them to memorize the scripts and also practice that until their bodies are used to that, that the bodies know it's fine. You know, role play with them.

[00:21:56] And then I also do other things in my work where it's about helping them to figure out where that block comes from, where there's, oh my God, I cannot say this. Oh my God, people are not going to believe me comes from, where's it stored in their body and how can we release that? And when we do and replace it with something that comes from a place of power, power meaning the capacity to exert change. Right.

[00:22:19] Then if they're able to do that, you have all three things together, then they are able to affect that confidently. Okay. So does that, do you typically do that with clients via conversation or are there tools? Like how does it work? So conversation to unpack where these three different levels come from and then other tools will be via having a certain sense of body awareness of where this first started.

[00:22:48] You know, how can we help them shift past that? And basically, you know, like once you can shift past that, basically you are basically rewiring your mind and your body. Mm-hmm. I would imagine this is something that once a client works with you and they've sort of unlocked that, it must be a very large source of energy for them. Oh yeah.

[00:23:16] I mean, they must feel tremendous energy. Yeah. Yeah. They feel so good. And because, you know, like where you can, where you have the power to exert change, you always have power to exert change in other parts of your life. You've done that already. So we just got to transfer that skill into where you're scared right now. And then you realize, oh my God, why am I scared of? You just got to have enough practice. And when you have enough practice, you just realize, yeah, you know what? It's just like playing skills, music skills.

[00:23:45] It's shitty at first and then it gets easy. And Dr. P, what's really interesting about it is that you're addressing not only their thinking about what is scary, but also how they're feeling about what is scary. And oftentimes, oftentimes there's the parental like, just do it, just get through it, just figure it out, just do it. And that really ignores how the person actually feels, which sounds funny.

[00:24:15] But if you stop and think about times that you are scared, it is never just up here. It is always, there's always another piece of your being that is affected by being scared. Sometimes it's in your feet. Sometimes it's in your chest. It could be anywhere. So to unlock both those things must be incredible for them. It's amazing. It's an amazing liberation.

[00:24:44] And once you figure that out, you can go for confidence. The more you practice that, so it's almost like, you know, you start off being somebody who thinks I cannot play the trombone. And then slowly you play the skills. Oh my God, actually it's possible. And then the more you do that, oh my God, I'm becoming a master at it. And then you start having real fun. And then you start asking yourself, actually, what other mindsets are holding me back? You know, what's my new bottleneck now? What's my new limiting factor? What's my new ceiling? And then you go to yourself.

[00:25:14] You know what? I can break the ceiling. Not just for the sake of breaking it, but actually because, you know what? I'm going to grow. I'm going to become a better person. So I'm curious. When it comes to clients you've worked with where you've helped them to unlock both the physical and the mental, right? Do you find that they come back with other things to work on that have the same connection?

[00:25:44] And by that I mean, do they... So is their mental and physical connection the same? Like, would it be they feel the fear in their feet again the second time? Oh, so you mean the same pathway? Yes. Yes. Okay, so if they have a new thing they want to work on, most of the time it's often in a different pathway. Or it's a mix. So then, you know, you just kind of learn to unlock it really, really fast.

[00:26:14] And then you start to practice. And then sometimes, you know, like you may find a residual. Like, you know, because you've found yourself in a new situation where the challenge is bigger. And then you get a bit scared. You know, that's not a relapse. It's just, you know, a bigger challenge. It's like you're really used to playing for the community. And then suddenly, you're being asked to play for the National Orchestra. So naturally, you'll be a bit scared. So what? So it's the same song.

[00:26:41] It's the same instrument, but a different stage. So when you're on a different stage, naturally, you're going to need more drills, right? You're going to need like a more professional kind of drilling down. So there's no shame in that. It's not like, oh my God, I've relapsed. It really is. You know what? I'm finding myself on a different arena. Let me step up to that. Let me get the right kind of professional support. Interesting.

[00:27:06] Do you find that clients are able to unlock other things sort of on their own once they've learned this skill? Oh, yeah, definitely. They start having a lot of epiphanies. And then sometimes when they come back the next week, they're like, oh my God, you know what? I've realized about this and that. And then, you know, they made those connections themselves. And then we're like, okay, great. Let's put that together and let's see how we can grow even more with that.

[00:27:30] And it also becomes really exciting to them because often, you know, it's about beliefs of health for a really, really long time or beliefs that's been passed on to them intergenerationally as well. So, you know, that or via the culture, via the religion, via the sex that they're in, that they inhabit. There are so many different things. And then you realize, oh my God, I'm actually not imprisoned by that. That is amazing. And that's not to say that we don't have limits in life, right?

[00:27:57] We're limited by our biology, especially by our wiring, you know, by our age, our hormones and everything else. But to be able to understand what are the limits to work within realistically versus our, you know, other self-imposed or other people-imposed cages can make a hell of a difference. Yeah. So it's interesting.

[00:28:17] What's coming up for me in this conversation is when you have taken one route to go someplace from your house and back, and that's the route you always take, and it's the place you go frequently. And then somebody else drives you, and they go a slightly different route. And at first, you're kind of like, why are we going this way? This is not the way I usually go. This is a different way. Maybe you don't say better, but it's a different way.

[00:28:44] And they take you down that way, and you're like, hmm, this baby isn't so bad. I kind of like this way. And now all of a sudden, you find yourself every once in a while. Yeah. You'll go the different way just because it's different, and it's kind of fun. Yeah. It sort of gives you some more options. Yeah. And it's sort of unlocked. So it's maybe not quite the fear intents, but also, you know, we all walk around with this, like, kind of systemized pattern.

[00:29:11] This is what we do because we don't have to think about it. We just do it. And so, you know, we started this conversation in a place of how do we be this? And now we're arriving at this wonderful part of our conversation around how do we unlock things that we're stuck in? It's like, you know, when you're talking about this route, even if it's the same route you've always taken, how alive am I doing this route?

[00:29:37] I think that's a really important thing because most of the time, especially if we have got all these different, like, things in our head, then we're not alive. We're in our own headspace. And sometimes, you know, when I tell a client, like, oh, you know, like, last week when you practice that, what did you see on your walk? Through the train station, what people think is really boring. They're like, you know, I started noticing all these different food options. I'm like, yeah, okay, good. You know, being alive is a beautiful thing. I think it's something to celebrate.

[00:30:03] Because being alive is what makes you interesting, coming back to being authentic and being human, right? Well, and how often have we heard, and this is a little scary sometimes, I don't remember driving there because I was so focused on whatever else I was focused on. Oh, yeah. And not that they were asleep, but just like they just were not paying attention to anything. And so to your point, completely unalive the whole way there.

[00:30:28] So, yeah, really, really a lot to think about for our audience in terms of getting in touch with how they're feeling. Yeah. So basically, it's about, you know, it's not about, oh, go out and do things for content to put on your LinkedIn or your TikTok or whatever. Go out so I can pretend I'm interesting. Yeah, I know there's a lot of pressure to be intellectual, interesting, and the easiest way is to shortcut it, right?

[00:30:54] But at the same time, it's also very exhausting because you're not actually alive. It's just another thing on your to-do list. And seriously, we've got enough things stealing our energy every day. So instead, you know, why don't you ask yourself, how can I be alive today? Because I'm breathing. Because it's a blessing to be alive. It's a privilege to be alive. You know, and how can I tap into that? Because if I can tap into thankfulness, then I can notice all this great stuff that are happening.

[00:31:21] When I tap instead into what's lacking, I'm only going to notice lack. Well, this is not just pretend to be Pollyanna, but this is actually just to train your body and your brain to notice good things so that you put yourself in the right frame of mind. Because optimism, realistic optimism is a lot, or even like they say, deluded optimism. Let's go back to realistic optimism. It's going to be so much better for your health, for your career, and everything else in the long run, in the medium run, in the short run.

[00:31:51] You know, and for everybody who thinks that they've been led by the stick, me included, okay? People read, you know, years of research on being kind to yourself. Like, bullshit, bullshit, I'm led by the stick. You know what? Eventually, you can achieve a lot and you say, you know, I've always been led by the stick. I have achieved so much in my life. So if I get rid of that, what's going to happen to me?

[00:32:11] Well, actually, eventually, there comes a point where you start to realize that being led by stick, being led by lack, being led by this, you know, dirty fuel, whether it's, you know, your middle finger, okay? Whether it's a resentment, your anger, actually is going to give you diminishing marginal returns because your body is compounding all the cost. And there's going to be an age where you realize that, you know what? I'm tired of that.

[00:32:34] And the only way forward is to step into the brave new world of experimenting with noticing good stuff. And so why don't you learn from, you know, people like me after too many years, too many decades? Why don't you learn from people like me? And, you know, start it young because that compounds. That's an amazing form of compound interest that I cannot advocate more and enough. Mm-hmm.

[00:32:58] And the very simple level, I love the fact that you said, what do you remember about getting to work today? Mm-hmm. That's a great exercise for our audience today. What do you remember about going from one place to another, wherever you went today? What do you remember about what you saw? Whether you were listening to this podcast or whether you were doing something else, what do you remember about what you did today? Because that will probably tell you if you were alive when you were doing it.

[00:33:28] And that would maybe be like a very tiny little step towards paying attention and seeing what's happening. Yep. Dr. P, tell us what is your why? Why do you do this? So my why really is becoming the champion that my younger selves never had. And in the process, be the champion for other people who are like my younger selves. Mm-hmm. I love that.

[00:34:00] Awesome. I've really enjoyed this conversation. Me too. You've given me a lot to think about. You know, I love the evolution of our chat in terms of where we began and then all of the information that we've ended with in terms of really how to kind of break away. Break open the shell. Get to the pearl. Because I love your analogy there. So how do people reach you, Dr. P, if they want to get in touch with you for some help?

[00:34:29] They can always reach me on my website. Okay. Which I will send to you in my speaker's bio. Yes. And you can always reach me on the contact page. Okay. So we will make sure that's in the show notes. We'll put that on there so they can reach out to you. And, you know, certainly feel free to reach out to Dr. P. Thank you again for all your time today and for joining us. If you've enjoyed this show, please go ahead and give us five stars. Please make sure that you share this with friends.

[00:34:59] Make sure you share it with that person who's like, hey, I drove to work. I don't even remember driving to work today because I'm so numb getting to my job every day that I'm like, oh, this is, this is, oh. Share this with them. This will help them quite a bit. This will really help them to think about the fact that take a deep breath, look around, spend some time with them and be alive. Yeah. Which is wonderful. Thank you so much for joining us. You're most welcome.