This episode is a heart-to-heart dive into the real, raw relationship between fear and leadership. Barb Krol, Chief People Officer and seasoned coach, shares her transformative journey and powerful insights on how fear shapes us — and how embracing it can make us stronger, more authentic leaders.

If you're ready to confront your fears and step into your most courageous self, this episode is your wake-up call.

In this episode:

Barb’s personal journey from fear of losing her career to fearless authenticity
How fear manifests in leaders and how to recognize it in ourselves and others
The connection between fear, shame, and grief, and how to navigate these emotions
Practical steps to manage fear through small, courageous actions
The role of vulnerability and candor in leading with confidence
How to transform fear into exponential leadership impact
The importance of continuous inner work and self-awareness for lasting leadership legacy

Timestamps:

00:00 – Podcast Intro

00:33 – Introduction of guest Barb Croll, Chief People Officer at Orange County’s Credit Union

01:50 – Exploring the journey of leadership effectiveness and the role of fear

02:54 – Mid-career fear vs. later-career fear: Success vs. Mortality

04:00 – How leaders unknowingly operate from a place of fear and the denial of it

06:50 – The connection between fear, leadership, and shame

08:50 – The “Lion” vs. “CYA”: How fear affects decision-making and risk-taking

10:45 – Careful Candor: Learning to be comfortable being uncomfortable

12:20 – Comparing the “waves” of fear to the process of grief

14:30 – Redefining grief in the workplace: Aging, body changes, and career endings

15:50 – The “Second Act”: Finding boldness and fearlessness late in a career

18:10 – Breaking free from "political shackles" to add real value

19:10 – Can we fix the system? Systemic change vs. individual growth

20:45 – Leadership in the age of AI and rapid technology: Leading with less data

22:45 – The Kaizen Principle: The power of 1% daily improvement over perfectionism

25:20 – Silencing the inner chatter: "Did I do my best today?"

26:30 – Barb’s Final Advice: Do the internal work and "don't get caught in your belly button"

Resources & Links:

- Daring Greatly by Brené Brown

- Kaizen Principle Explained

- Orange County’s Credit Union

Connect with Barb:

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