S6.11-145 - "Dysheen" - How an Uncommon Name Shapes Your Identity

[00:00:00] Hey there, I'm Jayma and over the past few years I've become very interested in onomatology, the study of names. I've never really liked my name until I researched the meaning of it. My name means paradigm shifter and I'd like to shift your paradigm by shining a light on onomatology and how it can potentially help you find your purpose, help you communicate better

[00:00:25] with others or even both. In each episode I ask someone eight basic questions regarding their first name. So sit back, relax and try to shift your paradigm with this next episode. All right on today's episode I am super excited to interview this person. I first met, I actually just met him

[00:00:51] super recently at an event where I was volunteering for an HR event essentially doing photography and he is also a photographer. I'm sure, I know he does a lot more things but he he's an amazing photographer and he showed me some of his stuff and we just kind of hit it off at the event. I really enjoyed

[00:01:15] talking to him and I wanted him to be on the podcast so welcome Daishin. Well thanks for having me, thanks for having me. I'm so happy you're here. So before we get started and before we jump into the questions if you can give the listeners just a little bit of information about where you're podcasting from and a little bit of information that you want to share about yourself. All right, well I'm podcasting from Columbus, Ohio. I am now based here. I'm originally from Queens,

[00:01:45] New York, but I've been in Ohio for a number of years and this I consider this my my second home pretty much. I just love how Ohio has embraced me and like and just took care of me since I've been here and that's something I can't like you can't put a price on that and yeah it's and this is where my photography journey started actually you know I didn't start doing this you know initially and

[00:02:14] this is where it started so this is where I hold my heart pretty much. That's awesome. I love it. Yeah and I will be putting your Instagram link in the caption of this episode so listeners go check it out go follow him it's amazing so I love it. All right well let's go ahead and jump into the first

[00:02:36] question which is without using Google and prior to meeting me did you know the meaning of your name and if so what did you know what that was the meaning? Well I did not google any of that and did not google myself. I my prior information is from what my parents have given me and you know I've had two different stories one for my mother and one for my father and you know my father of course was

[00:03:06] like oh your daishin is like rising hero and it's part Latin proverb for this and that and just shoveling everything making me happy you know because growing up you know daishins are really you know I don't say it's an odd name but it's not it's not regular you know it's not Tim it's not Steven it's not you know so when people hear it they just like where are you from you know um but then you know my mother you know she's always giving me the layman's terms of everything it was like oh

[00:03:32] yeah yeah your father's full of it you know so she's giving me you know her side of it which is really hilarious you know and it was always after African-American uh hair products you know me of course you got the oil sheen and the soft sheen and and everything you you hear it all the time growing up as in kids you know they could be really uh mean and stuff but like I just grew to accept it like previously and um like I love my name now like it's just like I'm different than

[00:04:01] everybody else you know yeah I love it too when you first told me your name I was like oh this is this is so cool and I want to instantly have you on the podcast I will say my initial google um uh research I did find like I know when I was on a cruise ship um one of the servers said like she's Jamaican she was like it means some type of banana in Jamaican and I did look that up and it

[00:04:29] is like it's like it is like it's like some type of Jamaican like veggie product so I'm just like but that's not a good thing it's really tasty I was like well that's good at least I'm at least it's tasty you know that's so interesting see like I tried to do a lot of research on your name and I didn't find that but I am going to actually look up the symbolism of a banana

[00:04:54] because I thought that was very interesting that you said that um so the symbolism of a banana is fertility and abundance um it also it's saying cultural and idiomatic meanings slapstick and humor um that sounds about right yeah and then so what I found I thought this was really interesting

[00:05:23] now and like take it with a grain of salt because I know that like and I'm very sensitive with my name and the spelling of it too uh-huh so like your name is d-y-s-h-e-e-n yes and that's your name and I found like the meaning of I thought this was so cool it's not spelled exactly like your name but

[00:05:46] if you were to change a couple letters and you look up darsheen that means sight or vision and when I saw that because I know it's not exactly the same spelling as your name but I just I was like instantly when I you know started seeing your photography and your skill I was like oh my gosh like that's

[00:06:10] very close uh to your name and it's such a prophetic profound meaning for what you do so what are your thoughts on that that's pretty amazing and it really hits hits it on the head like hits the nail on the head that that's like like wow as is I wish I could have found that before because it does line up because you know we do have a lot of things in society where one word

[00:06:35] you change a letter and it means this or you could say this in another you know language it means this and you know so it's just yeah it just really aligns up and fit because you know maybe you know my parents was playing with the spelling it may have it may have been like said a d-y-s it may have been d-a-r or whatever and it just went this way but like but come to find out in the future and look at their child here just become the photographer that I am you know and like I love everything's about sight

[00:07:04] and vision and it's just so like I said just hits everything just hits it just runs and I just love that like I just love hearing that because like that's I'm all about that in general all about like design and just photography and you know when we spoke you know you could probably hear my passion about you know even if I couldn't shoot one person anymore I'm still going to do photography I'm still going to do landscapes I'm still going to do underwater photography I'm still going to do

[00:07:31] droning I'm still like I'll just love it that's you know capturing everything in time so it fits me it does it definitely fits me it does well and also if you take just half of your name well it's a little bit more than half if you just take sheen in Punjabi sheen means light or radiance and I thought that was cool too so that's cool yep yeah

[00:07:56] you gotta have light for vision so it is you know just like you know my mom in the hair product she got sheen sheen is like gives that that nice glow that nice you know looks you know fresh and everything so it's like they definitely fit I love it that's so cool so I take it you like the meaning of your name yes I love it I love it that's just so amazing such so amazing to hear just you know just

[00:08:23] you know mouth just drop to the floor at this type of a deal just it is it's but you know what I embrace it though and that's like and I'm going I'm going to roll with that that's one the future like now hearing that I'm that's what I'm going to use like it says because it does fit me and I I'm going to embrace that and thank you for researching and finding that yeah of course yeah I even though like yeah it's a little couple letters off I think it's I'm like I would I would take that because

[00:08:52] it's like amazing yep yep close enough yeah very cool and um so can you elaborate a little bit more about how your parents chose your name oh we're gonna get into that one yes well you know I would say I was probably about 11 or probably 10 or 11 ish and um I went to my father and then

[00:09:20] I at the time I really wasn't happy with my name I had met people in school who they had regular names you know you know they could just you know every time I would go into a class the teacher would always get it wrong and it would take them half a year for them to finally you know call me by my first name or they would just call me by Mr. Davis you know and um it just you know it just really I felt

[00:09:44] a certain way about that so I asked my father and I was like dad I was like why did you name me this like it's just why couldn't you name me something regular he's like your name is something special um you should be happy you know you're not like everybody else you know for one thing he did emphasize like you know you're mine you're my baby boy you know so you are different than everybody else but he's I named you based on it was part latin meaning like rising soldier or warrior or like

[00:10:12] rise to greatness or something so it really put me at ease just to hear him say that my dad was a very recalculated gentleman I lost him a few years ago but like he was very like says everything with a straight face you know it's just like one of those things like so you didn't question it you know so I'm like you know thank you for that so I go back so second half of the story is I went and told my mother what my father said and my I told my mom's like oh yeah it means this and my my mother was like

[00:10:41] you're full of it I mean I said I'm full of it your father's full of it and I'm like what he's like no that's not where your name came from I'm gonna tell you where your name really came from so I'm like perplexed at this point like dad lied to me like why would he lie to me like no let me see what mom has to say you know so my mother I was born on Easter I was an Easter baby and so you know traditionally you know you have Easter dinner so my mother being you know eight months nine months

[00:11:08] pregnant I don't know how far along she was but like she was like yeah pop at any point my mother being the way she is my mother was always relentless and she always was always on time with everything she made being far that far along she made Easter dinner like she really put everything the sweet potato pie turkey all that stuff so she cooked all that stuff with no help you know so she did that so

[00:11:34] she had everything done a couple hours before before the guest came and you know my mother's really good about making things the night before like she'll make the potato salad the night before things that makes that way you don't have to make so much so she was like guests are coming over and let me um uh like get ready so you know she goes gets ready you know she showers and everything she she's like uh graze in her hair she's like oh I need to you know get the graze out so she um you know dyes her hair

[00:12:02] you know washes everything out she looks nice and everything she's getting ready and she went to spray the oil sheen in her hair and she started to feel something in her belly she was like something ain't right so she sprays it again and she gets a little she she started going into labor you know so she called my father she was like he's coming he's he's on his way he's coming so you know in honor of that you know my mother was like we named you dye sheen because I dyed my hair

[00:12:31] and I put the oil sheen in it to look nice and then you decided you wanted to come out maybe you didn't like the sheen or something but you came out so we named you in honor that we named you that she's like you could take that with a grain of salt but either way it's a good uh it's a good icebreaker for conversations if anybody ask about your name I love it that's amazing

[00:12:54] that's so great every time every time kills kills the parties I love it I want to meet your mom now you know it's so funny because my mother and father were so different in contrast my mother is like she is the the lovable she loves to laugh she's the one that was full of um she is full of joy and just wants to laugh at everything she watches marvel movies she's just like she got me into the comics and

[00:13:23] you know I call myself like Peter Parker because I'm from Queens and he's a photographer and everything so I'm just like I say oh he's from New York and I'm from New York he's from Queens I'm from Queens and you know even with him it fall he follows something seems like no matter how much good he does something always happens no matter what happens I felt like in parts of my life that's happened too so I really aligned with that character but yeah my mother she's very just fun and just like

[00:13:50] thinking on the good side of things thinking on the bright side of things when my father was very straightforward very like hey you need to think with your head and not your heart you know I understand this happened but you got to think with your head you know there's some things you got to just think with your mind and put your heart to the side when mom's like well you need to give it a chance like dad's like no this is you gotta grow up you know this is the not the way the world works

[00:14:15] yeah so my mother she is very very just fun and just laughs and like I say even now I miss her you know I went to see her not too long ago and I just miss her life already like she's just you know just growing up she was such a great mother oh is she still in Queens no she actually moved to North Carolina um yeah we most of my mother's family is from North Carolina but like her generation

[00:14:40] moved to New York like my grandfather met my grandmother in New York and so most of her adult life she was in New York you know especially when she had me especially you know I have three other siblings and so we was all like raised in New York and then you know she ended up moving down because you know it was just a cost of living New York is really expensive to live you know no matter where you are and you know the just the quality of education just depending you gotta pay for it you gotta you

[00:15:09] know it's just it just made sense to her and the family for her to move down to down there and like I was lucky where I didn't have to move down south until closer to high school and then I was down in North Carolina and then I moved back to New York whenever I graduated and then went to college and all that stuff okay very good when uh thinking back when you were younger did you ever have the thought

[00:15:37] cross your mind I wish I had a different name I did I did many times you know because you know kids could be relentless in their being and I've had so many you know you know those names I probably wouldn't mention now but I would mention some of the uh ones that like you know I was the Sheen connection or the the oil machine or the soft Sheen or you know because I always had these slanted eyes

[00:16:03] too to go with you know so they always like what you have in you you you're not fully the African American you know so I would get all the jokes and stuff and it was very disconcerting to have the name I have because like I wasn't you know they looked at me a certain way you know so and having that I had a kitty that just like just jumped up on the keyboard and she wants to be part of everything she don't care she's just like this is my room and you see the tail just kind of just pops

[00:16:31] in the frame that's fine okay but um yeah but I did really at one point wanted something more but I think that it affected me more down south than up north up north you have more of a cultural melting pot yeah and you will meet people from India meet people from Puerto Rico where they have you know the Alejandro's and every all these names but even their in their culture Alejandro is part of

[00:17:01] their you know it's a standard name for them you know but it just I just felt normal being up north then down south where everybody had this standard Tim and John and everything like that and you know the story was a hindrance at the point it wasn't it didn't end up being my superpower you know where I was different it did set me apart you know especially in the creative field you know me

[00:17:24] starting going off as a graphic designer you know it's just like you could see you know it a designer or artist having a certain name like Tashin that's one name like Prince like Tashin that's it yeah such a cool name I love it I appreciate it now and like it's it's I wouldn't change it totally wouldn't change it yeah have you ever or sorry um if you were forced to change your name is there a name that

[00:17:54] you like that you would change it to hmm see this is another one I would stay with the same type of theme yeah and I would you know I don't have you ever seen the movie the never-ending story I don't think so so it's an amazing movie it's an older movie but it's a very fantasy like labyrinth and stuff like that but it's got the um the main characters you got Sebastian you got

[00:18:22] Falkor who's the flying dog kind of deal and you got Atreyu and Atreyx which was the Indian boy and his and his uh horse and it's like you got the darkness he's reading the book and as he's reading things very very good very good uh like childhood like uh movie but like Atreyu will be something like and it's very different and is I love that name Atreyu like as I said if I ever had like a boy

[00:18:51] like if I had like a a son I would name him Atreyu like I just love that name how do you spell that A-T-R-E-Y-U A-T-E-R-Y-U Yeah that's cool I want to look that up real quick it's a fictional name created by German author Michael Endy for the young warrior protagonist

[00:19:20] in his fantasy novel The Neverending Story interesting his name translates to son of all or raised by all interesting yes amazing like I love that I love his I like that he represents bravery and inner warrior I like that yeah yeah so cool okay and um I'm pretty sure I know what the

[00:19:47] answer is to this question but has your name ever been mispronounced and if so how did it make you feel um back in the day it used to kind of bother me a bit but you know no matter how much you try to correct someone they they gotta want to learn it otherwise they're gonna keep messing it up so I just you know most of the time like my family calls me Sheen they say Daishin but they

[00:20:13] just call me Sheen and that's how my friends and family Sheen or uh like I know I used to to a point just call me D oh I could do that I could do that you know but if you take time I give you a lot of respect if you take time to learn my name yeah yeah yeah so that's what like I respect like if somebody wants to like okay so how you say it again this is and I'd rather you ask me a couple of times

[00:20:41] then to be like I'm just gonna make up like because there's people that I even know to this day who still that I went to high school with who still say it wrong I was like how are you still saying this wrong this is like 30 years later 32 years later I'm just putting a put a little stamp on my age here but like it's it's it's just ridiculous so you still should hope you know hear my you know you should know my name by now you know yeah definitely definitely I hear you on that

[00:21:11] second to last question and this one I love so if we take the meaning of vision for your name do you think that that meaning has any relevance on the way that you act or the way that you see the world around you and if so how I I would agree it does like I said I've always been

[00:21:38] an artist I've always seen things in a different lens always like as you know no pun intended me being a photographer but like I've always seen things in a different light and I've even with my siblings I've always did things a little different I was you know when my brother my brothers was into music and making music I was drawing I was you know doing art I was doing something different I always seen things a lot different oh it's kind of gray outside it's like but on the contrary but

[00:22:08] smell you know smell what's going on out there don't you smell like what's coming on there don't you smell a storm coming don't you they're like no we don't smell anything then 10 minutes later a storm would come you know and it's like one of those things where I just would see it and like even in my graphic design it was just like I would see one thing but somebody else would see another thing to me when things was not coming together to everybody else it was great it was perfect it was great you know and like I just

[00:22:38] it's just one of those things as an artist I feel like this is what we instilled with because we do look at the world differently we do we we're not we do look at the world in shades of gray and it has affected me like the way I look at things and the way I go about my life and not to be part of the cookie cutter society and not being part of it because I have something to offer society and offering myself and how I want others to view

[00:23:08] imagery and photography and imagery because you are capturing things in time you are and that's an extension of yourself and when you release something into the world you are bringing yourself to that image you are bringing that stuff and you showed it all for everybody to see and you are sharing and so that's me extending myself and the way I even go about life is that the same you know the way I go about raising my children the way I you know go about you know

[00:23:34] you know just being with my wife and everything and making sure she's happy because she even sees like you somebody else would do this but you do this yeah it's like how did you come to that conclusion and I just I'll break everything down like this is the way I this is the way I see it you know and it's just you know I it's it's so boring to be like everybody else yeah I love that

[00:23:58] and everything that you're saying it just like like it's like so it's so in tune with vision and uh just that yeah it matches totally so so for you so how did you like so when your vision you you obviously when did you know you was different when did you know that you was different from I don't I don't like you know know like do you have brothers and sisters and stuff do you even with

[00:24:27] your parents like wait a minute she's not like everybody else like when did that happen for you oh my gosh no one's really ever asked me that question and I really like that and it's relevant it's really relevant the creative to creative like because you know what and that's really important like what was your vision what did you your vision opened up what was that moment was you five and six like wait a minute like this is different so what was give me your give me your

[00:24:52] side yeah well I mean my name Jayma like it's kind of like Jamie but it is different and it is unique and I've always kind of ever since starting school and like the first day with the teacher saying your name I kind of always knew like oh it is different because nobody can pronounce it even though it looks phonetic um and it's spelled phonetically and my sister she has a pretty normal name a pretty common

[00:25:18] name and so I felt like I don't know I may be like in elementary school middle school but I really do feel like I embraced being different from everyone just a few years ago when I looked up the meaning of my name more and when I found out that it means paradigm shifter I've always been like in terms of like what I focus on very analytical about everything I I mean part of my job as a product

[00:25:46] owner is I have to look at the big picture and see every perspective and then guide the stakeholders on what is the best use of this software how can we make it better and even in my photography when I started 12 years ago I got really captivated in doing really creative edits where I would like do a mirror of the image and it would be symmetrical and I hadn't seen that you know on Instagram when

[00:26:15] Instagram was first you know brand new it was good so like if you scroll like at the very beginning of my um Instagram profile like it's all like these like uh symmetrical images and so I kind of I kind of got in tune with me being different in analyzing that essentially too but yeah I mean I kind of always have felt that way but now I'm more I'm embracing it more as I get older so right right

[00:26:43] that's awesome that's awesome I love to hear that and I just really feel like since once the day you are named I think your name really starts to shape you yeah and like and that is I really I really feel that because like if I would have been named not saying I wouldn't be the person I am now but like if I would have been like my brother my younger brother his name is Ron you know you know all my other siblings have regular names Tony Sherry I'm Daishin so interesting yeah and I'm the only one and that

[00:27:12] has Daishin and I really felt like it took shape and how people treat you and it really sticks with you when people like treat you a certain way because of your name and like if I would have been a regular person regular name they would have treated me this way I probably would have went into a different direction um but that the name shapes you and you know it's that's a really important thing and I that's why I learned that too I was like you know what let's just roll with it I love it you know I

[00:27:40] would tell you one person who wasn't a big fan of my name was my grandmother my grandmother did not like that at all really he's the old southern she was an old southern very um by the book classical like why would you put him through that but I would understand what she means because having a very afro-centric name gives you uh it doesn't give you an advantage in life you know especially going for a

[00:28:10] job they see Daishin sometimes they'll just they'll see it and they'll just put it into the shredder you know because they already made judgment you know but they see Tim Davis they'd be like oh oh this isn't it look at his qualifications you you will get through the door and my grandmother she was an English professor at South Carolina you know and then she went to um school like high school teaching right afterwards just to slow things down but like so she was an English major and like she taught like

[00:28:38] that and so she actually taught me how to speak and whenever I was trying to hang out with my friends and I think I want to speak cool and like oh yeah I'm gonna get dad let me get 50 cents and she would come around the corner and smack me in the hand it was like you never say it like that it's 50 cents you'd never say that you know so she would correct me every time and I would have to be like you you you only said you'll learn later on just just just trust me and it really served me

[00:29:07] later on because I wasn't you know some people's like where are you from especially when I first arrived here and it was like it wasn't used to me speaking like proper English or a certain way not to put anybody else but it was just like you're just different people from the east coast are a little bit different anyway just by the ways we way we are raised you know so but um but me having a father who had a mother who was an English teacher was a definitely a huge factor even

[00:29:37] no she didn't like my name yeah well I mean she she definitely has some like valid points and I mean in terms of yeah discrimination on names for resumes it's it's such a real thing and there is another podcast out there that I I forget what it's called but um it's such a like such a prevalent thing which I think is terrible actually but I do feel as though like the corporate world especially is becoming more

[00:30:05] uh and they embrace diversity more um so that's a good thing but I totally hear you on that for sure yeah I mean especially with AI and stuff down they could program it to like omit these these uh these resumes and so if anything ethnic or whatever pops up you automatically what doesn't go through stuff like that and that's a real I had people who worked in HR who I know who's knows people who've

[00:30:33] done this and it's just like this is not the first time it's not the last time and just and it's just really unfair but like I've been lucky I know I've had my fair even whenever I was in college I used to have dreadlocks down to my shoulders and as well spoken and proper as I've spoken even being an art because I was an art kid I wasn't I went to the Art Institute of Pittsburgh from 1996 to 1999 and just

[00:31:01] having to get a job and just having to pay rent and everything was really hard because I had to do a lot of it myself but then you come to go to an interview and the interviewer doesn't look at you and he just says you know well thanks for coming it's like did you even hear anything I said and I remember having to cut my hair and I went back to that employer a couple of months later and oh nice to meet you and I was like you don't remember that I was here before but just because

[00:31:29] I cut my hair and looked a certain way um it really it opened the doors and I hated that it had to be that because I was the same person you know you know I came in yeah everything was clean I had you know some people have you know they have dreadlocks it's kind of dirty I had the clean Malcolm Jamal Warner people out there who when I say that would understand them I had that really nice dreadlocks I could tie it up it looks really really nice and yeah so I was that type of person it didn't

[00:31:58] matter um but like it's it's just one of those things that I just you know I hate people who have to go through that because I know I had to go through that yeah for sure we'll build your character definitely but it shouldn't happen it definitely shouldn't happen well I have one last question for you okay let's go shoot so when I first started this podcast two years ago I wanted to know

[00:32:26] what are books saying about the significance of names and so I googled what is the best-selling book of all time happens to be the bible and actually there are quite a few people in the bible where it talks about their names being changed and I'm just curious what your opinion is about what do you think like the significance is of say in the book of Genesis it talks about God going to Abram and

[00:32:56] saying you're going to change your name to Abraham and you're going to change your wife's name from Sarai to Sarah what do you think the significance of that is just being told in the bible versus just going straight to their new names and not talking about that story I almost feel like but that he's I feel like God was preparing them for the future because there was

[00:33:21] some type of evolution where he was preparing them into the next phase of that chapter and so like I'm gonna you need to change your name for that so I could push you into here because those names are you shedding that old skin so your names go with that and so I looked at that as a transition even though like some people it was hard for people to leave their skin behind but you know what it's like

[00:33:47] a caterpillar going into you know a cocoon and go to the crystal list and then you come out as a butterfly you know God telling them like hey this time is done you I'm changing this so I could push you phase of my plan so that's the way I look at that I love it I couldn't agree more very cool well that those are all my questions I know you already asked me a question but did you have any other questions

[00:34:13] for me uh what is your next big project coming up what was your next what's your next big project when you look what are you looking forward to oh um I do have a lot of fall family photo shoots coming up in the next few weekends which is always like such a huge highlight of my year because that allows me to tap into my passion my side hobby which is also the the podcast but

[00:34:42] I just like capturing people and I find that every single person is beautiful um and so I just like to capture that and so that's I guess an upcoming project that I'm looking forward to awesome love it I love that that's you know whenever I do get booked for family pictures I used to get them all the time but you know lately actually for the last couple years people's like well we don't reach out to you

[00:35:11] because we we think we thought that you might be above you know you think you above that I was like I'm not above that I love to do family pictures and senior pictures this is where I started I just love shooting it you know it's just like I want to make sure to capture your family you know to capture your family capture the moments capture the laughter even the the crying little ones who doesn't want to you got to bribe them to take a picture like we're gonna go to McDonald's afterwards just smile for the picture you know that's just always a funny moment for me because you bribe me your kid you know but um

[00:35:40] but yeah I love like family things are starting especially here in Ohio the leaves are changing you know it's good to get real pretty you know so it's like I totally it's a good time yeah for sure well very cool well thank you so much for your time I absolutely loved having you on here and love your name well thank you so much thank you so much can I say one thing before I we end this here

[00:36:08] yeah of course so we have right coming up um I do have um the black tie gala that's coming up at uh that's that that's going to be a great event I'm lead photographer for the event for that one and then fashion week Columbus is right around the corner from November 8th through the 14th oh yeah yeah that's totally forgot about that oh yeah that's going to be a really really good one we got

[00:36:33] uh some surprises coming up and um we starting off with the high t on the 8th and then we end it at the finale on the 14th and now but we have a lot of things going on during the week like we have a show at Macy's we have upcycle uh fashion upcycle uh fashion um we have a lot of the curve show on that Friday on the um 13th so we got that going on and for the two shows I'll be shooting as uh Getty Getty Images I'll be shooting for Getty Images on November 8th and Getty Images on the for the finale show

[00:37:03] so yeah that's awesome and I would encourage if anyone hears this before that time get your tickets come down and see some great fashion we're number Columbus Ohio's number three in fashion in the states so it's it's um definitely yeah let's do it sounds great I'll be sure to post this before that event then that would be amazing if not then you know what you post dated it was an amazing event

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